Wade Garrett Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The implants had been grafted to Angron's brain when he had been a slave, centuries before, and though the technology to remove them was available, he never wanted them removed. -False Gods, page 380 Someone! Stop him before he ruins another Legion's lore! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 doesn't hurt anything in my opinion, just shows how damaged he was in the head that he didn't want them removed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3651956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I think it's more supposed to be there was no way to remove them without killing Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3651967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeoilSage Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Call me anti-heretical but isn't that the point? Angeron's Legion started using the implants later, it makes some sense that he'd want to keep himself wired up for kill-joys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3651976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Call me anti-heretical but isn't that the point? Angeron's Legion started using the implants later, it makes some sense that he'd want to keep himself wired up for kill-joys. No. The point was that any attempts at removing the Nails from Angron would kill him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3651980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Meh, a minor issue corrected by ADB, no harm no foul as our lord and savior delivers once again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3651985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 The implants had been grafted to Angron's brain when he had been a slave, centuries before, and though the technology to remove them was available, he never wanted them removed. -False Gods, page 380 Someone! Stop him before he ruins another Legion's lore! Wasn't False Gods the second book? If he didn't manage it then, I doubt he'll manage it now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I wouldn't call a fundamental aspect of a character a minor issue. What if we found out that Perturbo had been offered the glory and position that Dorn had first, but turned it down because bitterness for bitter's sake? Or if Lorgar was actually given consent to spread the worship of the Emperor by the Emperor himself and was only rebuked for going slow, and his betrayal was just an excuse to slack off? Neither of those things could be fixed solely because of an ascension. So why would it fix the idea that Angron, the warrior who thinks freedom of any kind is worth any cost, actively chose to keep the chains and remain a slave? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Guys, think of Betrayer. Its called "retcon". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 You do realise that we are seeing Loken's impressions of Angron and it is possible that he just believes they are removable. Or are we to believe that Angron's face is really "Murder itself". ~ Preseeding sentence Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Angron's face is really "Murder itself". I see the likeness. it's possible. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/eb/eb945f989640b1ab89a57db2e8b4c8d292f506d2bd18c56f9bb41495a9aed23e.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 One of the first trilogy and your doing this now? Well better late than never I suppose. In Angrons current condition I think it's largely irrelevant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Opinion of an author made at that time... it's no great issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Guys, think of Betrayer. Its called "retcon"."ADB fixed it later" is not an excuse. (See also Ward, Matthew; Knights, Grey). And Cormac Airt has summed up my issues with this particular little twist, although I'd like to add that the idea of the implants being easily removed makes the Emperor's decisions about Angron even more baffling. Forcibly abduct him from the only family he's ever known over his objections (by which I mean punching Custodians to death) but honor his wishes to leave the crazy machines in his head? What the heydey ho? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 It is a throwaway line that has since been overruled by novels like Betrayer that actually deal with the subject in a more in depth manner than one sentence. Sorry that it rankled you but it's barely worth a forum topic. I wonder how you will react to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, while we are staying current :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Theres a big list of what the...? Throughout the entire series. Not just graham mcneil, we could just enjoy the stories, and not reread the ones we don't like. It's not just like it's one mans decision either, and while your here blame the editors, because the get to read it first and check for problems. Then blame BL for publishing. Taketh what thine want, leaveth what thine do not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 I wonder how you will react to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, while we are staying current :P Anyone who insists that their uniform be tailored so tightly to them that it hampers the efforts of first responders trying to treat a gunshot wound is probably someone the world is better off without. And speaking of out of control vanity, now I am reminded of the hack job this same author did on poor Fulgrim. Index Astartes: Emperor's Children = the tale of the tragic fall of the one Primarch who peacefully united his world with trade, politics, and science, yet was so accomplished in the Great Crusade his Legion alone was allowed to wear the Palatine Aquila. In the hands of McNeill: Primarch Rennly Baratheon becomes Primarch Ramsey Snow because magic. And not one single thing of value was lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Pretty sure the line was removed in later printings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wait until he finds out that there aren't any other legions besides the Alpha Legion. There's just the Loyalist side of the Alpha Legion pretending to be the other loyalist legions, and the Traitor Alpha Legion who are pretending to be the traitor legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 What do you mean Greedo shot first Sanguinius has black hair??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Pretty sure the line was removed in later printings. This. This is the most important thing. I only have Horus Rising in the trade paperback reprints but I have faith in Laurie Goulding's editing. And he's been pretty adamant in saying that the trade paperback versions do supersede the mass-market copies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Pretty sure the line was removed in later printings. This. This is the most important thing. I only have Horus Rising in the trade paperback reprints but I have faith in Laurie Goulding's editing. And he's been pretty adamant in saying that the trade paperback versions do supersede the mass-market copies.Only in the books sold before Angel Exterminatus as the hardbacks and trade paperbacks are reprinted to be in line with the more recent and organized standards of the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Correct. I should've specified that it only applies to books that had a mass market paperback before a trade paperback. Obviously those afterwards would be identical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3652943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 In short, it makes absolutely no sense for Angron's implants to be removable and this line has therefore been retconned. I don't really see the issue. Is anyone here still thinking that the Ultramarines are a 2nd Founding Chapter with a Half-Eldar Chief Librarian? No? Let's move on then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3653346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 In short, it makes absolutely no sense for Angron's implants to be removable and this line has therefore been retconned. I don't really see the issue. Is anyone here still thinking that the Ultramarines are a 2nd Founding Chapter with a Half-Eldar Chief Librarian? No? Let's move on then. I'm sure you'll find someone who'd argue the toss with you about it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289533-false-gods-graham-mcneill-goes-full-cuss/#findComment-3653441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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