Commissar Uri Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Ok getting back into 40k from 4th ed rules. Used to play tau but now I want to start a IG list. Got the codex, soon buying rule book and was looking for a 500pt list. Saw the new box set (russ, c him, 2x shock 3x heavy wep and command squad) and thought this was a fine place but as with most box sets it's to good to be true. What tweaking will this need? The sets £70 from wargamer.com so I know I have found the place to order from Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andhil Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The box set requires some tweaking, either way. It gives you enough to field a Company Command Squad, and 2 Veteran Squads, giving you a legal army. However you will be unable to use the Heavy Weapons squads (unless you put them inside the Veteran Squads and the CCS, but you'll still have some leftover men then). If you however wish to field a Platoon, you will require at least an extra Command Squad box. And then you need another Troops choice. If you want a 500pts list, I'd opt for Veterans, and a CCS for starters, then add stuff you want. The other guys here can help you further, I haven't even got the new codex yet. Hope this helped somewhat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The new battle force is a great place to start IMO. You can either take it and add infantry for a blob army, or add another chimera and have two chimera vet squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I agree; offers a decent saving over buying each part individually too, especially if you found it for £70! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Whats a CCS? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Whats a CCS? Company Command Squad - The HQ command squad option that includes Senior Officers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 Ah coolies. So from that box set i need another CCS, another chimera for it to be a half decent 500 pts army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possessed Marine Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If you go for the CCS & 2 Vet squads, that's a legal list. Add in another chimera or two to bulk on points. Or go for other choices like a Leman Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possessed Marine Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If you field it as a Infantry Platoon, then that's just a single troops choice, at that point you would need the second CCS, and you would also need a second troops choice. Which could be as simple as getting a box of 10 Guardsmen and fielding it as a veteran squad. Moneywise, I would go for fielding the big box as a CCS & 2 veteran squads, as it is already a legal list with nothing else to buy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3657175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Everyone else has covered-off what I would have said. The box is a good value and it is a perfectly legitimate force making it a great starting point. Play a few games at lower point level to get a feel for what style you might like for your expansion -- either up to a platoon or more vets, or more toys, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3658043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 I know what I'm after, mech guard but that's expensive and will take time to build up so I was going to slowly work my way to that goal. Any tips on building a IG army? For a newbie Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3658068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 a mech army is actually cheaper than a full infantry list... an armoured fist squad ( 10 infantry + chimera) costs 115 pts and 35£ 2 infantry squads cost 100 pts and 36£... so you end up paying less money, for more points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3658153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 In a perfect world, where money flows like wine, I'd buy 2 (probably catachans because i have cadians out the wazoo): CCS w/ 2xsnipers, vox, medic,stealth gear, colonel with toys. PCS w/ 3xflamers, vox -2x IS w/ grenade launchers, voxes -HWS w/ 3x AC -HWS w/ 3x ML Vet Squad w/ 2x PG, HF, vox, Chimera (MLaser & HF) Vet Squad w/ 2x MG, HF, vox, Chimera (MLaser & HF) 2x Leman Russ (magnetize the turret guns) All parts available between the 2 boxes. 3 troops slots, 1 HQ, 2 heavies. Solid starter army to build off of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3658442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 I hate you heckus.... and so does my wallet cus guess what? I bought two.... damn you and your sense! (And the the over time I slogged through) so both sets should arrive soon. Heard bad things about totalwargamer.com. com so went to gifts for geeks. 10 more but meh I have it. Next question. Flamers love infantry, infantry hate flamers but I have heard they can shoot in over watch but also heard they can't. So which is better flamers or grenade launchers? Oh and standard cadian codex uniform. What paint colours are they as I have also liked that one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Flamers don't shoot normally when charged, instead inflicting D3 hits automatically so they're quite useful. Flamers and generally better for infantry squads but grenade launchers are just as cheap and quite flexible. I usually recommend a mix of the two with a preference for flamers :) Regarding the Cadian colour scheme look no further than GW's site :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 That link... you legend thank you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I have my uses :lol: Don't forget to post up some pictures when you've painted some Cadians up :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 My last model paint looked... erh ish.... btw is the colour for the skin included in that set? If not what would you advise and black base coat or white Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I hate you heckus.... and so does my wallet cus guess what? I bought two.... damn you and your sense! (And the the over time I slogged through) so both sets should arrive soon. Heard bad things about totalwargamer.com. com so went to gifts for geeks. 10 more but meh I have it. Next question. Flamers love infantry, infantry hate flamers but I have heard they can shoot in over watch but also heard they can't. So which is better flamers or grenade launchers? Oh and standard cadian codex uniform. What paint colours are they as I have also liked that one Hehe. Glad you liked the idea. You'll have to let us know how it works out. Should make for a good starter army. Nice mix of units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 you got two kits? You know you can get two veteran squads, two tanks, and a CCS for 480? At 500, that's broken! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 I wouldn't know, never played IG. But with two vet squads (20 in each I guess) two tanks and a css sounds good but with no troop transports how would you run such an army? Also I heard 6th ed (7th round corner I know) hit russes hard with there firing, can't move and shoot main wep Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I wouldn't know, never played IG. But with two vet squads (20 in each I guess) two tanks and a css sounds good but with no troop transports how would you run such an army? Also I heard 6th ed (7th round corner I know) hit russes hard with there firing, can't move and shoot main wep Veteran squads are only 10 men each, there is no option to add men. "7th" hasnt hit yet and I dont think they'll change the Heavy USR (Maybe to ignore ordnance but thats just wishful thinking), right now Russes can move 6'' max and shoot ALL weapons but if you fire an ordnance gun then the rest of the guns are snap shot only. If you go with the cadian battleforce/starter set than I advice getting these guys http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Imperial-Guard-Cadians-5-models They're great to add more bodies and if you have spare special weapons its fairly easy to convert one to have one, 30 more bodies for £36 compared to the 20 for the same price if you buy the 10 man boxes is quite the bargain if you ask me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3682968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I heard a rumour (from my local GW store no less) that main changes to 7th are casting psychic powers and no longer having to follow force organisation charts - apparently you get bonuses if you do, but it's no longer mandatory to have 1 hq and two troop choices. I guess this means you could run all elites or all tanks if you wish, although I don't know how they're dealing with scoring units... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3683128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 My last model paint looked... erh ish.... btw is the colour for the skin included in that set? If not what would you advise and black base coat or white No, it's just the colours for the armour and fatigues. Skin is easy to do though depending on what tone you'd like by using a wash. I use Rakarth Flesh followed by a Reikland Fleshshade wash and it gives me a nice paler skin :) A black base coat would be best I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3683142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Uri Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 Okies so I know what's next on my buy list, which makes sense as I do need more troops no matter how much I want to buy loads of armour. Now I'm just writing up a list for a 500pt game in about a week and a half. I'll be allied with chaos marines against either a 1000pt spess marine (one of the "I got my own chapter codex) books but it's not wolves, templars or dark angels) or dark elder( if I lose... well the after party will be interesting). Should be good, the opponent is a friend, my ally his gf and she asked him if he could help her with his list and nearly died laughing when he saw my face... I'm thinking a standard russ, CCS, 2 vets and if I can squeeze them in some heavy wep teams. Her filthy dirty marines are aligned with that dirty heretical being who likes his furniture made from people so get rid of armour to get her into CC is my priority... right? Also how do you fit 2 russes into a 500 game... that sounds cheesely hilarious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289771-advice/#findComment-3683210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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