Competitive and Uncompetitive Units

[incinerator950]

Nice list so far, I'm starting to see a general consensus here.

 

As for deep striking, I think most people are too worried about a little risk, it definitely pays off when it works though so I wouldn't discount that option entirely.

 

if it requires less strategy and nets you more than the cost, it's better.  At least that's the mentality this meta offers.

[maskpking]

Nurgle biker lord

Helldrake

MoN oblits

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I'm thinking a big bike or raptor unit with a lord or sorcerer with the key could be usefull for allowing terminator or obliterator units to deepstrike without scatter, plus be fairly strong itself.

[the jeske]

the problem with key is that it activates like a lictor , way past the time when deepstrike units already droped.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

If you have a warlord with master of deception then the raptor unt could infiltrate forward to get into combat early.

[the jeske]

only if you go second and not every community lets people spread the infiltration by attaching an HQ , but what is more important the warlord would be at risk . One would have to take ahriman/huron[building an army around a one d6 roll on the warlord table , with no manipulation of what you get would be foolish] and the key lord . And we would have to go second. There would have to be targets for the raptors[smallest problem] , but we would still be giving up slay the warlord to use the key. 

[Dam13n]

only if you go second and not every community lets people spread the infiltration by attaching an HQ , but what is more important the warlord would be at risk . One would have to take ahriman/huron[building an army around a one d6 roll on the warlord table , with no manipulation of what you get would be foolish] and the key lord . And we would have to go second. There would have to be targets for the raptors[smallest problem] , but we would still be giving up slay the warlord to use the key. 

 

Actually you wouldn't.

 

Huron/Ahriman would be the Warlord.  The Lord with the Key would not.  So while you may end up giving up 2 Kill Points in games that use them, there wouldn't be Slay the Warlord unless Huron/Ahriman get themselves killed (chances are they wouldn't infiltrate themselves).

[the jeske]

that is only if people let infiltration spread , if not you need to roll infiltration 3+ to get 2 units minimum and we are talking here about a big investment as points as the unit has to survive 1 turn of short range firing , making the rest of the army smaller[already small from having other units in reservs and the stuff we normaly have in reservs] , which leads to giving up slay the warlord easier. unless the warlord is in reservs too. But then we have what on the table turn 1 , oblits and the raptor+key unit? That could end up with tabling turn 2.