irwit Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hi all Just wondering how good the new veterans are and comparing to henchmen. So a unit of 10 henchmen with 3 plasma guns, 7 storm.bolters and all carapace armour is 131. 10 veterans, carapace and 3 plasma is 120. So 10 point difference 1 less bs skill but stormbolters will do a lot more damage than flashlights. What do people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Veterans can also take orders and are scoring without a character investment. I'll side with vets on this one, unless you sprinkle in other types of henchmen, which makes it tougher to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Henchmen get better transport options. Also drop the carapace armour on both units and the henchmen are amazingly cheaper v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 That's a good point. Add a chimera and there is only 1 point difference. Add a valk and I bet the henchmen are cheaper. Still the vets are bs4 and can gain orders. Its a tough one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I like ten stormtroopers with two melta guns instead...150 points, but they have hellguns, can still take orders, and deepstrike. FRFSRF with hellguns, anyone? Or, take them from the stormtrooper codex, and they are scoring, and can have a valkyrie as a dedicated transport (different set of orders, though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 I like ten stormtroopers with two melta guns instead...150 points, but they have hellguns, can still take orders, and deepstrike. FRFSRF with hellguns, anyone? Or, take them from the stormtrooper codex, and they are scoring, and can have a valkyrie as a dedicated transport (different set of orders, though) Would you ever really deep strike them though? Actually thinking on my feet here i guess deep strike plus the shoot and run command is pretty useful? Hmm, even more decisions, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I like ten stormtroopers with two melta guns instead...150 points, but they have hellguns, can still take orders, and deepstrike. FRFSRF with hellguns, anyone? Or, take them from the stormtrooper codex, and they are scoring, and can have a valkyrie as a dedicated transport (different set of orders, though) Would you ever really deep strike them though? Actually thinking on my feet here i guess deep strike plus the shoot and run command is pretty useful? Hmm, even more decisions, lol. The only way to do that, though, is to attach an orders-issuer to the unit...And the only independent character with voice of command is....Yarick. As for whether I'd deepstrike them...yeah, I would, out of a moving valkyrie, no less...who dares wins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Well Tempestus Command squads have an 18" command radius so it shouldn't be too difficult to deep strike the Scion squad and command squad near one another. As a platoon/ single elite choice they would arrive at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Yeah...I was thinking of multiple squads, it's like chips, you can't eat just one! I would love to field three tempestus squads that way...each with a L2 divination psycher on board, one with Yarrick (an excellent warlord choice in any event), plus a tempestus command squad...that's three prescience FRFSRF hellgun units that might also ignore cover or force rerolls to successful saves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Tempestus squads from MT codex can't take dedicated transports. Valkyries are a fast attack choice for them. Also they are a separate codex and as allies no other models could join them in a transport unless you take them as elites from guard dex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Wrong. Look again at the "airborne assault formation," they're required to take valks and start out in them. Anyway, I know that allies can't join up in transports. Anyway, who cares if they're dedicated transports or not? You can get up to nine valkyries in the IG codex, so how is there any problem? Three stormtrooper squads in fast attack valkyries, and one stormtrooper command squad in a fast attack valkyrie...so far, I've filled a minimum of two fast attack and one elites slots, right? Add in Yarrick as my HQ attached to one squad, everything being taken from the IG codex, not the ST one, and I don't know what you're saying is illegal...and I don't know where you got the idea that I planned to take the stormtroopers in this scenario as allies (and attach four IG characters to them, so no matter where the transports come from, it's illegal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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