Manticore Chapter WIP

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

WIP havent even thought it through yet.

 

 

Chapter Name: Manticores

Founding: ?

Progenitor: Ultramarines?

Homeworld: formerly Goru-Prime, now Fleet-based

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Goru-Prime

 

 

Color Scheme: Beaten Copper, Desert Yellow, Brazen Brass, Charadon Granite, Mechrite Red

 

Combat Doctrine

 

The Manticores are desert warfare specialists.  They make heavy use of armored units and devastators to support tactical squads in the unforgiving desert battlefronts.

 

Marine Images:

 

[helterskelter]

Are you going to be integrating the mythical beasty somewhere? Nice colours scheme

[Olis]

Forgive me brother, I will post properly tomorrow morning. It's a little late for me now to go over details of the IA. :)

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

Are you going to be integrating the mythical beasty somewhere? Nice colours scheme

im not sure. like i said i have not really thought out anything yet.

Forgive me brother, I will post properly tomorrow morning. It's a little late for me now to go over details of the IA.

hahaha i am sure you will have a nice dissertation for me

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Manticores combine a human head with a lion's body, like the Sphinx. Most notable are their three rows of sharp teeth. If you want to name the Chapter "Manticore", at least use a symbol that depicts a predator whose mouth can contain three rows of sharp teeth. If you want to use a scorpion as a symbol, then change the name to something that reflects this, like "Deathstalkers" (a real world species of scorpion) or "Scourges" (according to Wikipedia, the Romans named the whip after the Latin word for "scorpion").

[NightrawenII]

To be honest, I don't quite understand why do you spam Liber with your articles. As far as I can tell, you post article and then abandon it to never come back.

Why should we care, if YOU don't care?

 

 

~ NightrawenII

[Plague Angel]

I'm fairly confused about the Manticores using a scorpion as a symbol too.

 

If you want to pursue this, though, I have an idea that might sound strange: why not combine this idea with your unfinished White Scars one? There are a lot of question marks there where you don't have question marks here, and vice-versa. Desert-fighting Scars would be kind of rad.

[Olis]

The Manticores are desert warfare specialists.  They make heavy use of armored units and devastators to support tactical squads in the unforgiving desert battlefronts.

 

Considering this is the only info available, I shall comment here on this. Are you sure you want to mix heavy armour with desert environs? I would perhaps use lighter vehicles instead as they have been traditionally (Liber-wise) and historically (real world) the preferred style of warfare. What's the inspiration behind the heavy armour and desert warfare mix? Operation Desert Storm maybe?

 

 

If you want to pursue this, though, I have an idea that might sound strange: why not combine this idea with your unfinished White Scars one? There are a lot of question marks there where you don't have question marks here, and vice-versa. Desert-fighting Scars would be kind of rad.

 

This is actually not a bad idea, but that wholly depends on whether the author of both articles feels they can be merged or not. That said, a finished IA is far more gratifying than several ones that have been started but remain unfinished. 

 

The Lord Marshal, putting aside the Liber bowling ball for a moment, I'd just like to point out that although some comments may feel harsh, they are intended to help you - just like the more diplomatic posts do, too. 

 

[Lysimachus]

For those questioning the scorpion badge, isn't a manticore supposed to be human head, lion body, scorpion tail?

 

That said, I agree that this could work nicely as a WS Successor.

[Plague Angel]

It's a tiger body actually.

 

Man-tiger. Man-tigor. Man-ticor. Manticore. See?

[NightrawenII]

It's a tiger body actually.

Man-tiger. Man-tigor. Man-ticor. Manticore. See?

Except it's Martyaxwar; 'man-eater' in old persian. The english name was derived from latin, which itself was derived from greek misspelling of persian name.

The scorpion tail is a part of its description yes, but not always. The general description is body of red lion, man's head with three rows of sharp teeth and a trumpet-like voice. Sometimes it has bat wings, horns, dragon tail and it may shoot poisonous barbs at distance.

Believe me, I did my homework on Manticore.

~ NightrawenII

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

To be honest, I don't quite understand why do you spam Liber with your articles. As far as I can tell, you post article and then abandon it to never come back.

Why should we care, if YOU don't care?

 

 

~ NightrawenII

 

 

i understand what your saying, i do care i just dont always have time. there dozens of articles lacking attention. ppl have to write ideas somewhere.  i usually come back to by stuff from time to time.  i also tend to swing between "40k obsession time" and "other stuff obsession time" which contributes to how much gets done.  in fact this has been the first post iv made in months as i have had very serious stuff in real life to be more concerned about. 

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

first id like to say that all posts have been helpful.  much appecriated brothers!

side note - i have no idea what i did that messed up the formats here.

 

"I'm fairly confused about the Manticores using a scorpion as a symbol too.

 

If you want to pursue this, though, I have an idea that might sound strange: why not combine this idea with your unfinished White Scars one? There are a lot of question marks there where you don't have question marks here, and vice-versa. Desert-fighting Scars would be kind of rad."

 

 

i agree that this is very good idea that i had not thought of. i will have to think of how i might combine them though. it is certainly do-able but there are aspects of each that might be more difficult.  open to ideas on it

 

The Manticores are desert warfare specialists.  They make heavy use of armored units and devastators to support tactical squads in the unforgiving desert battlefronts.

Considering this is the only info available, I shall comment here on this. Are you sure you want to mix heavy armour with desert environs? I would perhaps use lighter vehicles instead as they have been traditionally (Liber-wise) and historically (real world) the preferred style of warfare. What's the inspiration behind the heavy armour and desert warfare mix? Operation Desert Storm maybe?

 

 

If you want to pursue this, though, I have an idea that might sound strange: why not combine this idea with your unfinished White Scars one? There are a lot of question marks there where you don't have question marks here, and vice-versa. Desert-fighting Scars would be kind of rad.

 

This is actually not a bad idea, but that wholly depends on whether the author of both articles feels they can be merged or not. That said, a finished IA is far more gratifying than several ones that have been started but remain unfinished. 

 

The Lord Marshal, putting aside the Liber bowling ball for a moment, I'd just like to point out that although some comments may feel harsh, they are intended to help you - just like the more diplomatic posts do, too. 

 

 

well the initial idea was kinda a space marine take on Tallarn Desert Raiders, but obviously i have not thought up a way to make them different.  its more that kind of armored warfare.

 

 

"For those questioning the scorpion badge, isn't a manticore supposed to be human head, lion body, scorpion tail?

That said, I agree that this could work nicely as a WS Successor."

 

as far as i can see that seems to be the most common description.  as for a symbol, i used this one because i couldnt find a decent manticore one. every image was of a manticore instead of a symbol.

 

It's a tiger body actually.

 

Man-tiger. Man-tigor. Man-ticor. Manticore. See?

 

lol i dont think it works that way.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The thing about the badge is... that's a scorpion, regardless of a manticores component parts and people are picky like that. But if you like it, why the hell not? 

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

ok iv been thinking about this for a bit iv got 2 major ideas.  tell me what you think is a stronger idea to role with. thanks in advance.

 

1) go with Plague Angel's suggestion and combine Manticores and my White Scar Suc. Chapter by changing the combat doctrine to be more similar to the White Scars, paint schemes would not change (white and blue would be normal and Manticore CS would be desert camo).

 

1) i feel like i would like the chapters better separate. so if kept them separate, not much would change with the WS Suc Chapter, but the Manticores would become a desert warfare and hazardous environment specialist force.  they are meant to provide a sm chapter which can aid imp guard regs that are specialized for the same purpose (ex Tallarn Desert Raiders, Death Korps, Airborne units etc).  They would be a Red Scorpions successor chapter that would be similar to their parent chapter but would lack the puritanical craziness of the RS.  They would focus more on firepower than close combat.

 

the main problem with combining them is the fact that their combat doctrines are completely different.  The Manticores are desert armored/infantry warfare (like the Tallarn DRs) and the WS Suc Chapter are teleport specialists that emphasized close combat with power weapons.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The trouble as I see it is that there needs to be a reason for their desert specialization rather than "to support regiments like the Tallarn" because ANY Chapter could do that really. 

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

that is the reason. they dont have a chapter specialized for that.  the creation of one such chapter allows other chapters to divert to other battlefronts where they are better suited.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

that is the reason. they dont have a chapter specialized for that.  the creation of one such chapter allows other chapters to divert to other battlefronts where they are better suited.

 

But there doesn't need to be one just because there isn't already - that's circular logic. There are always going to be more Chapters that don't specialize than do. There has to be a better reason that what you've said though otherwise in my opinion it doesn't work.

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

i have thought of ze purpose of ze chapter creation! they are meant to reenforce the imperial defense against the incursions of the Tau Empire (most of those worlds seem to be harsh environments).

[Ecritter]

No founding since Tau incursion ... sorry.

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

Wait really? thats lame

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Wait really? thats lame

 

The 40k gets stagnant right around the time the game is actually set and by stagnant I mean "standing so still statues start to look like amateurs".

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

back to the drawing board i guess....

[Messor]

They could just as well have been founded prior to the Damocles Crusades/Tau encounters based on divinations from Terra. Then they are in place just around the time the Tau are discovered. Could be slightly before, or during, depending on how long it took them to be equipped, reinforced and deployed.

[Lord Marshal Ragnrok]

you are a genius Messor! i steal what you just said then