Prot Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well I learned something last night.... sometimes you're better off leaving well enough alone. I really thought it would be a great idea to try a new scheme (instead of Blood Pact ) for my IG. Enter Catachans! But I decided I didn't want to airbrush this army and I had to first locate a green spray that would match my base colour. All I could find was this Greenskin spray and I knew it was too bright but all the store had was this, or a VERY dark green... close to Caliban Green and I didn't want that. So here I took what was a based Blood Pact Valkyrie for the experiment and sprayed it. Way too bright. Too close to 'hulk green' for me. So I decided to wash it down with a Vallejo Camo green wash: While the wash did bring it down a notch or two, I wasn't quite there yet but I decided to try a three step process with the Camo pattern anyway. And then work the green yet again back to where I thought it should be. Here's the result. I hand painted a thin line to mark the pattern. Then I sponged on a thicker, 'sandy bone' kind of colour. Then I took a smaller sponged and did a light bone in the center of that darker bone. Finally to control the camo a bit, I then stippled on a darker Vallejo green to tidy up, and bring the overall green to something I liked. Granted there is no other painted detail on the vehicle, but I just wanted to get a feel for this to see if it would work out. I think it's pretty horrid actually. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe a wash or glaze over the whole Valkyrie would help tie the colours together a little more? Or a nuln oil wash to subdue it a bit. I don't think it's as bad as you think though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherthefallenangel Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Its not that bad. I think once you add some detail to the engines and blackout the cockpit it should come together nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's not the most appealing shade of green I've ever seen. It might all come together though if you paint the rest, maybe wash or glaze the whole thing once or twice to tie the colours together more, and add a bit of battle damage/weathering. Some of my favourite paint jobs looked bloody awful at least once during the process. Some models literally only worked after I fixed the weathering powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It is a tad on the bright side but once it is shaded then weathered I think it will work. Next time if you want catachan green in a spray can go for tamiya tr61 NATO green. It comes in a 100ml can and you should get a couple of vehicles per can. Nice desert stripes though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Think it looks great and as said once the colours and detail are added it will make it stand out. I may steal your sponge technique too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hmmm... maybe the Nuln Oil wash idea might just pull it in together, but then again this a process I would not want to repeat on every vehicle as it was getting quite labor intensive adjusting the green 3 times alone during this model. I'm split between Nuln oil wash, and just finding a different Catachan green. I think you guys are being pretty generous, but I appreciate it anyway. lol Thanks for the compliments on it. I think I could live with the camo recipe, if only the green turned out more... subdued, or flat. There is almost no way I can think of saving this without doing a repaint. I just went to the GW website and I think they use Castellan green as the base. I have to find something similar from Army Painter. (I don't have a local supplier for Tamiya unfortunately). If it's close enough to Castellan, then I might be able to save the Valkyrie with a brush.... Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The camouflage pattern is really good I think, but I agree that's not a good green for a Catachan. Perhaps Castellan Green would be best as it used to be called Catachan Green. Either that or a slightly darker green, like Dark Angels Green (or whatever the new version is)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Castellan green is very similar to the army painters cayman green (I believe that's how it was called),I've used both and the army painters is slightly lighter. Either way I'm curious to see your heretic jungle fighters! Will they be nurgle oriented (due to the deadly venoms in a jungle)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Army painter version of DA green is called angel green but would be too dark as a catachan green replacement even with some heavy highlighting. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I actually think its pretty cool myself. Not all green camo is dark. As cypher says once you add details - should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yup, I reckon its pretty good actually. The different hues of green give it a nice jungley kind of look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatmandoo Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 How about dark angels green and then add a lighter layer after if you really are unhappy with the brightness. Give it a chance until the rest is done though I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Maybe Colie Greenshade Wash will darken it if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 You can always drybrush a darker shade on the green too... weather it up, do your metallics, and you may be surprised by the end result. Most of my stuff looks like crap when I'm painting, but the forgiving thing about vehicles, is they aren't suppose to be showroom fresh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzi Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 As a Cadian green it's too bright but I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Too often people seem to get afraid of really vibrant colors in the 'grim-dark' of 40k. If you still want to pull it down a wash of Nulin Oil would get it about perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Okay, thanks to everyone for giving me some ideas. I really mean that. But moving on... The only way I think I can save this is to pick up Castellan Green paint pots and airbrush it. To be honest, I am quite tired of airbrushing, but I don't see a way around it. The reason I say that is because 1) it looks like a toy to me. I realize it may darken with some tricks BUT 2) I could never fully repeat this process on an army's worth of vehicles without eating a pound of week old green stuff and then gouging my eyes out with some dull x-acto knives. (Yes, the process was that tedious). 3.) The dry brush won't work because what you probably can't see in the picture is that there is a 'sponge-like' bleed of the camo into the green, and then a 'stipple' of green back into the camo to tighten it up. This effect would be 127% ruined by drybrushing. (Although I confess I could go Nuln Oil it to death, but again... the process would be hideous for an army of this size.) So you may think, this guy is just setting himself up for failure! Well, you're possibly right. A big part of me, I'll say my head specifically, tries to convince myself to stick with the Blood Pact because I admit, it does look good, and I even have squad I'm working on. But it feels a lot like an old girlfriend that let you get to third base and then moved on because you spent a summer holiday apart.... the magic is gone, and her breath stinks. I really did want to try Catachans. Friends think it's too corny for me... being primarily a power armoured player for the last 8 thousand years. I wanted to make them wrong with my 'close combat' Catachan army idea but I think I blew it. First impressions are everything and if Catachans were a girl, she'd be a spoiled, decadent woman, and I'm a broke sailor looking for a fun weekend. We may never connect. But although my friends say this can never happen, I may secretly try to pursue the relationship, box at a time (as fish has suggested.) So I thank you guys. And I would not have responded so honestly except that to be frank, your opinions and attempt to help me have forced me to be truthfull with you, even if it is to the detriment of my hobby efforts. Sorry, I think the model is clearly a fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idlem Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Like Bonzi said, a wash of Nuln Oil will help out immensely. I bet if you highlighted the edges as well with a fine detail brush you could change the effect quite a bit too. Details will help out. Regardless, even a failed experiment can turn out to be a great model. Don't let it deter you, just change tactics and give it a little more love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There's always the old fall back of stripping the model and starting again. Just like when your girlfriend is... so you strip... actually I have no idea how to make this work with your analogy :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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