Questions about the Night Lords Omnibus

[Strazhakov]

I just recently finished the trilogy and I have to say I enjoyed it very much. There are just some questions popping around my head.

 

 

1) Was Lucoryphus killed? It sure seemed like it but then again he was heavily corrupted and his face looked like a drowned/undead man as remarked by Variel. So Nurgle at work or something else that made him really though?

Just asking because I really liked the character (I love Raptors) but was under the impression that resurrection from death was reserved for the God's pet champions like Khârn and Lucius?

 

2) What exactly did the Atramentar do after the Covenant went down? So they teleported away but where? Not on a Corsair ship and on the final assembly when they appear Malek and Garadon only make allusions to the Warp. Maybe I just didn't read careful enough but this answer eludes me.

 

3) Why didn't Talos and Xarl and other Veteran NL's show any signs of corruption? Just because they detest the Ruinous Ones doesn't exempt them from their influence. Especially not when they blaspheme against them all the time. Uzas I can understand, Khorne doesn't care if his servants hate him. Cyrion was lost to anyway and Variel was relatively young.

 

4) Did Variel kill Eurydice/Octavia when he took Decimus? I know this is purposefully left vague but what do you think?

 

 

Thanks for reading, any help is appreciated!

[Chandrian]

Is been awhile since i read the stories. but to answer your questions (i'm sure someone will remember better) :P

1).  i think he was injured during his fight with the Eldar and then started to eat his own men's corpses to sustain himself/heal.  i never thought it was Nurgle, i think he would look more like a plague marine if it was.  Always though it was Warp exposure and mutation that made him what he was.  

2). i though they did teleport to a Enemy ship? 

 

3).  they weren't really "lets hangout in the Eye of Terror." people.   They roamed around the galaxy, avoiding a full blast of Chaos corruption unlike their counter parts in the Eye. But Chaos can still influence,hence their brethren's corruption.  The best example of why Talos didn't fall to any God would be what happens after Abaddon shoots him. i think Khorne and Nurgle pretty much say Talos wouldn't join them.  Slaanesh and Tzeentch try but Talos would have not part of them.  I think a lot of the "Chaos Gods Corruption" has to do with wanting/succumbing to their will. 

 

4).  I always imagined that Variel might have attempted to kill them and Eurydice some how survived and that Eurydice would perhaps, in a later story, try to meet his son..ETC..  

But i dont think Variel would have left any loose ends. :P

 

hope this helps :P sorry if i got some fluff wrong >_<  !!!

[Leif Bearclaw]

4) Did Variel kill Eurydice/Octavia when he took Decimus? I know this is purposefully left vague but what do you think?

But was Decimus Octavia's child?

The current fluff's timeline doesn't support that assertion, assuming I remember the book correctly. The VIII Legion conference at the end is meant to happen before/at the start of the 13th Crusade (I believe), which is in 999.M41. However, the fall of Vilamus (from Blood Reaver) also takes place in 999.M41 (source: 6th edition CSM Codex). Therefore there simply isn't time for Octavia's child to be mature enough to receive the gene-seed (and that's assuming Variel uses some Daemonculaba-esque Warp shenanigans to accelerate the Astartes creation process, but even that needed recruitment-age boys, not babys).

Of course this may be an artefact of retcons, or someone not keeping track of the dates properly (and GW can be really bad at this, especially with Tyranids). But using the information available, Decimus does not appear to be Septimus and Octavia's kid. Of course I do also like this outcome, because holy hell, those poor deserved some happy ending there .

[Blood Angel Scout]

Pretty sure Lucoryphus is there when Decimus gives his predictions

[Strazhakov]

Thanks for your input guys :)

 

 

 

But was Decimus Octavia's child?

 

It's pretty heavily implied. I mean there was talk about Variel coming for the Child and the thing with Talos's geneseed that would make for a flawless prophet. Also the name pretty much gives it away imho. Septimus = Coreth, Octavia = Eurydice, Nonus = Maruc, Decimus = Talos gene-son. He even wears his wargear though he's not a slave. Far from it.

 

Also if ADB would answer me, I'd be sooo happy :)

[Phantomzero17]

There's an interview where someone asks that question and his answer was "I don't care".  I found it hilarious at the time.  While yes it is heavily implied he purposely leaves it up to our imaginations as to who Decimus is.

[Volt]

I just recently finished the trilogy and I have to say I enjoyed it very much. There are just some questions popping around my head.

 

 

1) Was Lucoryphus killed? It sure seemed like it but then again he was heavily corrupted and his face looked like a drowned/undead man as remarked by Variel. So Nurgle at work or something else that made him really though?

Just asking because I really liked the character (I love Raptors) but was under the impression that resurrection from death was reserved for the God's pet champions like Khârn and Lucius?

 

2) What exactly did the Atramentar do after the Covenant went down? So they teleported away but where? Not on a Corsair ship and on the final assembly when they appear Malek and Garadon only make allusions to the Warp. Maybe I just didn't read careful enough but this answer eludes me.

 

3) Why didn't Talos and Xarl and other Veteran NL's show any signs of corruption? Just because they detest the Ruinous Ones doesn't exempt them from their influence. Especially not when they blaspheme against them all the time. Uzas I can understand, Khorne doesn't care if his servants hate him. Cyrion was lost to anyway and Variel was relatively young.

 

4) Did Variel kill Eurydice/Octavia when he took Decimus? I know this is purposefully left vague but what do you think?

 

 

Thanks for reading, any help is appreciated!

 

 

1) Whaa? He's perfectly fine by the end of the book when Decimus is hailed as the new Prophet, and Raptors serve their own chaos cult, not any of the gods.

 

2) Nobody knows.

 

3) They'd only spent a small time in the warp due to time dialation, not to mention that Chaos taint is utterly random, and the Night Lords actively purged all taint.

 

4) Depends entirely on Variel's humor on the time.

[Chandrian]

Thanks for your input guys

But was Decimus Octavia's child?

It's pretty heavily implied. I mean there was talk about Variel coming for the Child and the thing with Talos's geneseed that would make for a flawless prophet. Also the name pretty much gives it away imho. Septimus = Coreth, Octavia = Eurydice, Nonus = Maruc, Decimus = Talos gene-son. He even wears his wargear though he's not a slave. Far from it.

Also if ADB would answer me, I'd be sooo happy

My Though's Exactly. Why include the whole "don't let Variel find you, he will take the child bla bla". Its such a perfect fit in my opinion. The child of your Slaves fitted with your geneseed to create a perfect melded Astartes + Prophet...... Heck i'm sure Slaanesh would be a little Jealous of this perfection lol .

[The Red Thirst]

4) Did Variel kill Eurydice/Octavia when he took Decimus? I know this is purposefully left vague but what do you think?

But was Decimus Octavia's child?

The current fluff's timeline doesn't support that assertion, assuming I remember the book correctly. The VIII Legion conference at the end is meant to happen before/at the start of the 13th Crusade (I believe), which is in 999.M41. However, the fall of Vilamus (from Blood Reaver) also takes place in 999.M41 (source: 6th edition CSM Codex). Therefore there simply isn't time for Octavia's child to be mature enough to receive the gene-seed (and that's assuming Variel uses some Daemonculaba-esque Warp shenanigans to accelerate the Astartes creation process, but even that needed recruitment-age boys, not babys).

Of course this may be an artefact of retcons, or someone not keeping track of the dates properly (and GW can be really bad at this, especially with Tyranids). But using the information available, Decimus does not appear to be Septimus and Octavia's kid. Of course I do also like this outcome, because holy hell, those poor deserved some happy ending there .

Warp travel isnt exactly an exact science, who's to say that the trip from Tsagualsa to join up with the 13thBC didn't take Variel and co 20 years but arrive the same year they left.

Problem Solved

[Volt]

4) Did Variel kill Eurydice/Octavia when he took Decimus? I know this is purposefully left vague but what do you think?

But was Decimus Octavia's child?

The current fluff's timeline doesn't support that assertion, assuming I remember the book correctly. The VIII Legion conference at the end is meant to happen before/at the start of the 13th Crusade (I believe), which is in 999.M41. However, the fall of Vilamus (from Blood Reaver) also takes place in 999.M41 (source: 6th edition CSM Codex). Therefore there simply isn't time for Octavia's child to be mature enough to receive the gene-seed (and that's assuming Variel uses some Daemonculaba-esque Warp shenanigans to accelerate the Astartes creation process, but even that needed recruitment-age boys, not babys).

Of course this may be an artefact of retcons, or someone not keeping track of the dates properly (and GW can be really bad at this, especially with Tyranids). But using the information available, Decimus does not appear to be Septimus and Octavia's kid. Of course I do also like this outcome, because holy hell, those poor deserved some happy ending there .

It takes less than twenty years to make a space marine.

[The Red Thirst]

Yes but the point I was making is that the Warp is fickle, my friend.

I only said 20 years as its a nice round number for the infant to be born, reach the age of puberty, undergo the changes of becoming an astartes and a few more years after for some training. Hell who's to say it didnt take them 1000 years to join the 13thBC

Warp travel is the biggest Deus Ex Machina in 40k next to the Alpha Legion

40k fan: "Hey GW you're dates dont match up from codex to codex" (or in this case Novel to Codex)

GW: "Errmmm ahhh well you see young lad, Warp space is on another level of reality, where by Time and Space dont exactly run in the right order of possibly doesnt even exist at all."

Problem for all canon conflicts and holes.... Solved!

[Sothalor]

It's possible Variel kept the parents around to raise the child. He really doesn't strike me as the child-rearing type. He may have thought it more expedient to do something like "I'm taking the child. Come with me if you want to raise it. Cross me and I'll dismember it slowly before your eyes before doing the same to you. Refuse my offer and the same happens now. What say you?"

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

 

 

Warp travel isnt exactly an exact science, who's to say that the trip from Tsagualsa to join up with the 13thBC didn't take Variel and co 20 years but arrive the same year they left.

 

Problem Solved

The thing is though, that sort of 'arrived before you left' thing isn't that convenient in every other portrayal. Here it would literally need to act like a time machine (seeing as Octavia did get away for at least a time, so it would take Variel at least some time in real space to track her down), shunting Variel back to approximately the same time (or just after, I can't remember in the in novel time difference between Vilamus and the showdown on Tsagualsa) as Talo's death. And Variel would have to know and plan for this time travel to meet up with Malek and organise the conference, as well as hunting down one family in a galaxy of uncounted trillions. To my mind this is far too specific for how Warp travel time issues tend to be portrayed.

 

Given the choice between the most convenient Warp shenanigans I can remember and 'Variel used another kid', the latter just seems more plausible to me.

[The Red Thirst]

What Im saying is that Variel does all that, tracks down Severus & Octavia, takes the child, trains him, turns him into an astartes, meets us with Malek, then warp jump from Tsagualsa to the Cadian gate (allllllll the way over the other side of the galaxy)

To me its not outside the realm of possibility, especially if the Chaos Gods need Decimus to be in the 13thBC