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[Dolchiate Remembrancer]

Update!

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[Aothaine]

Anyone know of any short stories showing the Primaris going into Black Rage? I remember in the codex that they saw them ripping enemies apart with their bare hands, but I don't recall if they've ever drank the blood of Sanguinius or if any of them have actually fallen to the Black Rage.

 

Also, how about those new units? Phobos armored units are really going to work well with Blood Angels imho. Seriously considering returning to the fold of the vampires lol!

 

Especially looking forward to what Flesh Tearer Phobos armor Incursors can do and what they would look like on the battle field.

Edited September 13, 2019 by Aothaine

[BluejayJunior]

Other than that little blurb in the codex, nothing else has been written (that I'm aware of) about the Primaris and Black Rage. 

[Spagunk]

For the time being, BA Primaris "seem" to be black rage free. But they are also, according to corbulo, more blood thirsty so may have the red thirst 24/7 or at least a slightly less severe version of it.

The HH book 8 goes into this a bit and so it may be that they have more original gene seed in them which makes them a lot more prone to visciousness. It was Sanguinius that implemented ways to harness that into something more heroic. Pre-Sanguinius BA were much more "world eaters" in nature.

Edited September 13, 2019 by Spagunk

[Karhedron]

There is a short story with Astorath and some Primaris Marines where the nature of the Death Company is explained to them. It is clear that the Primaris Marines do not (or at least not yet) experience visions of Sanguinius.

 

Rather than being relieved, the Primaris Marines are strangely disappointed. They ponder if they are truly Blood Angels at all if they cannot see what Sanguinius saw like their Firstborn brothers. Astorath reassures them that the Blood of the Angel flows in their veins just as in his.

 

Can't remember the name of the story off the top of my head but it looks like no Primaris Death Company for the time being.

[Klod]

There is a short story with Astorath and some Primaris Marines where the nature of the Death Company is explained to them. It is clear that the Primaris Marines do not (or at least not yet) experience visions of Sanguinius.

 

Rather than being relieved, the Primaris Marines are strangely disappointed. They ponder if they are truly Blood Angels at all if they cannot see what Sanguinius saw like their Firstborn brothers. Astorath reassures them that the Blood of the Angel flows in their veins just as in his.

 

Can't remember the name of the story off the top of my head but it looks like no Primaris Death Company for the time being.

Redeemer, by Guy Haley. Good story, worth buying. Also sheds some light on Astorath himself. I liked his personal ritual before he went on the hunt.

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

 

There is a short story with Astorath and some Primaris Marines where the nature of the Death Company is explained to them. It is clear that the Primaris Marines do not (or at least not yet) experience visions of Sanguinius.

 

Rather than being relieved, the Primaris Marines are strangely disappointed. They ponder if they are truly Blood Angels at all if they cannot see what Sanguinius saw like their Firstborn brothers. Astorath reassures them that the Blood of the Angel flows in their veins just as in his.

 

Can't remember the name of the story off the top of my head but it looks like no Primaris Death Company for the time being.

Redeemer, by Guy Haley. Good story, worth buying. Also sheds some light on Astorath himself. I liked his personal ritual before he went on the hunt.

 

Mmf. My feels. Need to read that.

 

I do hate the idea that Primaris cannot (normally) be Death Company. I have a friend whose entire Chapter (as far as I know) is that sort of half-Death Company thing that, like, the Blood Drinkers are (from what he explained). Y'know, where they have massive amounts of Red Thirst incidence and embrace it instead of fighting it. Meanwhile, my Chapter is borderline DC-free, and is fluffed to have fewer Death Company, even before the Primaris showed up. The reason for this is they also possess Iron Hands gene-seed, mixed in with their Blood Angels original stuff. So their culture is part Iron Hands, part Blood Angels, as are their gene-flaws. Of course, their incidence of Death Company was MUCH higher before they got that Iron Hands gene-seed.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Zephaniah Adriyen

[BluejayJunior]

I have that short story, but haven't read it yet. I will have to change that. 

[SnorriSnorrison]

Hey guys, random question. I was looking into the Sicaran Relic tank lately, I’ve only seen Morticon posts lists with them really.

 

What are your thoughts on them? The model is pretty cool and for FW not even that expensive(and that’s a sad way of saying it).

 

Do you know if the kit comes with lascannons as well as the heavy bolters?

 

Do you ask your opponents for permission to field them?

 

Thanks!

[Jolemai]

Yes they come with both sponson options and whilst you don't need to ask permission to field them as FW is widely accepted these days, some folks are stuck in their ways so it depends on the group/person.

 

I think I've only used mine once this edition. Whilst it benefits from split fire and being able to fire all weapons from any part of the model, it's a Relic vehicle (will require one other non-relic unit in the same battlefield role in the same detachment to field). The accelerator autocannon remains good a popping anything with the FLY keyword - so Eldar, Custodes Jetbikes, Necron Destroyers, Tau, and so on.

[SnorriSnorrison]

Thanks for the insight, Jol.

 

Isn’t the relic rule’s condition fulfilled by taking another unit from the elites section?

 

And yeah the Acc. Auto cannon looks pretty nifty.

[Jolemai]

Correct, as the battlefield role for the Sicaran is Elites, another Elites choice is required in the same Detachment.

 

Fwiw the sponson/hull weapons weapons are heavy so they will be at -1 to hit when the tank moves. In many cases it might be worth firing them at a different target than the autocannon even though splitting fire can be risky this edition - many enemy units need to be finished rather than left wounded...

[SnorriSnorrison]

Yeah, I agree. The auto cannon is amazing though - RAW, it also ignores to-hit penalties for moving when firing at a unit with FLY, right?

[The Unseen]

Yes, that is correct snorri. Because it's an assault weapon. ;)

But it ignores the flyer penalty or stuff like alaitoc shenanigans.

Technically I think it you fire at a target with fly, you can even advance without penalty.

 

I also like the laser array one, it's very good at killing tanks with lascannon sponsons, and nice to have against knights for the -1 penalty it imposes on the target with its main gun.

 

The others are traps mostly, especially the plasma one.

[Majkhel]

Just noticed that plasma Sicaran has 24" range... But its looks cool :D

[Emissary]

Personally, the Sicaran Venator is the real jewel to me.  The laser is better than the autocannon with the -1 to hit effect that you can stack on things you can't kill like knights, plus it has a machine spirit which the normal version doesn't have for some reason...

 

Anyway, I suspect we may see something like the Black Rage come out for the primaris marines in the Psychic Awakening storyline.  If the primaris marines have some sort of resistance to it and the Black Rage was caused by the psychic shock of Sanguinius dying, I could see one byproduct of a storyline focusing on increasing psychics awakening it in primaris marines.  Though it would be cool if it was different like primaris marines seeing visions of him returning rather than his death.

 

Also, I don't think that it would make sense for the Sanguinor getting a primaris version.  A plastic/bigger version I could so, but he's really not a marine so I don't see any good reason why he would go through something to make him a primaris marine.  The fluff hoops for that would be stupid.

[Karhedron]

Also, I don't think that it would make sense for the Sanguinor getting a primaris version.  A plastic/bigger version I could so, but he's really not a marine so I don't see any good reason why he would go through something to make him a primaris marine.  The fluff hoops for that would be stupid.

Yes, no reason to Prmiarisise him but I would like to see him buffed up and given a bigger model to be our Prmiarch-equivalent LoW. A model like Lord Celestant from AoS would be the kind of thing I have in mind.

 

[Xerxus]

The Sanguinor is basically a daemon prince so it makes sense for him to grow a bit.

[SnorriSnorrison]

Yes, that is correct snorri. Because it's an assault weapon. ;)

But it ignores the flyer penalty or stuff like alaitoc shenanigans.

Technically I think it you fire at a target with fly, you can even advance without penalty.

I also like the laser array one, it's very good at killing tanks with lascannon sponsons, and nice to have against knights for the -1 penalty it imposes on the target with its main gun.

The others are traps mostly, especially the plasma one.

Exactly my point. As long as the unit has fly, the autocannon hits on an unmodified roll.

 

Yeah it could be helpful to run mostly cheap Sicarans with HB sponsons. The lascannons sound great on the battle tank, but become point sinks quickly.

Good point in the Venator!

 

 

A new model for Meph or the Sanguinor would certainly be cool. Mephistons case would certainly be interesting though. With his exalted physique, is the primaris treatment still possible? Would he even undergo the surgery? I guess GW would just retcon it like they did before.

[Jolemai]

 

Yes, that is correct snorri. Because it's an assault weapon.

But it ignores the flyer penalty or stuff like alaitoc shenanigans.

Technically I think it you fire at a target with fly, you can even advance without penalty.

I also like the laser array one, it's very good at killing tanks with lascannon sponsons, and nice to have against knights for the -1 penalty it imposes on the target with its main gun.

The others are traps mostly, especially the plasma one.

Exactly my point. As long as the unit has fly, the autocannon hits on an unmodified roll.

 

 

Incorrect. If the tank advances, you still get the -1 to hit from it being an assault weapon. If you targetting a Fly unit that gives a further modifier, then it is this modifier only which is ignored. So a melta gun which advances and then shoots a Stormraven has a -2 modifier.

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by Jolemai

[Jolemai]

New Unit of the Week entry:

• Land Raider Redeemer

[SnorriSnorrison]

 

 

Yes, that is correct snorri. Because it's an assault weapon. ;)

But it ignores the flyer penalty or stuff like alaitoc shenanigans.

Technically I think it you fire at a target with fly, you can even advance without penalty.

I also like the laser array one, it's very good at killing tanks with lascannon sponsons, and nice to have against knights for the -1 penalty it imposes on the target with its main gun.

The others are traps mostly, especially the plasma one.

 

Exactly my point. As long as the unit has fly, the autocannon hits on an unmodified roll.

 

Incorrect. If the tank advances, you still get the -1 to hit from it being an assault weapon. If you targetting a Fly unit that gives a further modifier, then it is this modifier only which is ignored. So a melta gun which advances and then shoots a Stormraven has a -2 modifier.

That would be RAI though, right? As it’s written, the Heracles gun ignores all hit-modifiers as long as the target has the fly keyword.

I’d let both pass, but it’s kind of written ambiguously tbf.

[Jolemai]

My understanding is that when there's an ability, it refers to the base profile that you see. This can be further modifed by outside effects - in this case, the -1 when advance ruling which would apply everywhere. The tank doesn't suddenly become more accurate at high speeds if it sees a Stormraven after all.

 

Trouble is, I haven't got time to sift through everything to back up that underlined statement :( Designer's commentary perhaps? :(

[SnorriSnorrison]

My understanding is that when there's an ability, it refers to the base profile that you see. This can be further modifed by outside effects - in this case, the -1 when advance ruling which would apply everywhere. The tank doesn't suddenly become more accurate at high speeds if it sees a Stormraven after all.

 

Trouble is, I haven't got time to sift through everything to back up that underlined statement :( Designer's commentary perhaps? :(

Oh, I agree it should be that way, as it makes sense. GW has always been good at writing slightly unclear rules, and this being a FW model doesn’t help apparently.

[Jolemai]

Need a set of wings for a conversion and I'm considering using either Astorath or The Sanguinor's wings. Who do you suppose has the better remaining bits?