knife&fork Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Yeah 5 points for a jump pack makes sense. Still a good deal. 10 assault marines with 2 meltas a melta bomb and a power weapons costs 230 pts. Regular Assault marines are likely to get a significant price reduction to keep them in line with C:SM. 10 DC with jump packs a few upgrades are probably going to be almost 100 pts more expensive compared to similar RAS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3878988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorBlack Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 A DC only formation with those stats will be insane. Imagine a full army of mounted DC in raiders + DC assault marines (some with bolters). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3878990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Affordable Death Company? But...but I've already painted so many black marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3878993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Affordable Death Company? But...but I've already painted so many black marines. DC on foot was already affordable. Barring some more, yet unseen, changes they only got worse now. DC in Raiders can be done now with superior stats for the same cost. Luckily for me I have about 30 DC with packs and 30 on foot.... Edition proof! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3878995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Yeah 5 points for a jump pack makes sense. Still a good deal. 10 assault marines with 2 meltas a melta bomb and a power weapons costs 230 pts. Regular Assault marines are likely to get a significant price reduction to keep them in line with C:SM. 10 DC with jump packs a few upgrades are probably going to be almost 100 pts more expensive compared to similar RAS. A C:SM assault squad costs 220 points with the same upgrades. I don't think ours will be cheaper than that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3878997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 My mistake, I was thinking about skyclaw points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 DC w/ jumppacks for 25 points a piece is very very nice. Also, keeping all their attacks and special rules is excellent. I was very worried they'd be nerfed down to 1 base attack. The WS4 downgrade doesn't hurt them as much as one might think since I always run them with a reclusiarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 3+ with rerolls is reeeeeaaally good, better than a 2+. But yes, I'd rather have WS4 than 1A. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I got death storm Dc look to be 20 points a model still, with only ws4 HOWEVER. jump packs seem to be 3 points each. they still have two attacks rage relentless fearless furious charge and feel no pain however. Do they have rage or black rage? Are death company now scoring/OS units? If you respond "yes", I may have to do a happy dance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Affordable Death Company? But...but I've already painted so many black marines. So rock the Angels Encarmine and start painting white? See, I got your back man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 nope.. no black rage:), and both the dc and dc dread are in the arrow pointing sideways part..so.. troops:) yay! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascalnz Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 don't know how I missed it, but in the squad of DC has a character "rafen" he is a character and has three base attacks... maybe actually cheaper than 5 point packs.. maybe well, I'm off to do a show, back in about 5 hours:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 nope.. no black rage:), and both the dc and dc dread are in the arrow pointing sideways part..so.. troops:) yay! WOOT!!! *happy dance* Scoring death company! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 DC w/ jumppacks for 25 points a piece is very very nice. Also, keeping all their attacks and special rules is excellent. I was very worried they'd be nerfed down to 1 base attack. The WS4 downgrade doesn't hurt them as much as one might think since I always run them with a reclusiarch. Come to think of it, with cheap jump packs, I'll probably just run Lemartes now =). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I forgot about him. Yeah my lemartes might see some action instead of proxying as a regular reclusiarch now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 don't know how I missed it, but in the squad of DC has a character "rafen" he is a character and has three base attacks... maybe actually cheaper than 5 point packs.. maybe well, I'm off to do a show, back in about 5 hours:) This is in the new box set I presume? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Yes, he said he has a copy of Deathstorm in hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 also... no fleet on the dc dread:( I just realized why this is. Magna grapple gives you move through cover and reroll to your charge distance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 also... no fleet on the dc dread:( I just realized why this is. Magna grapple gives you move through cover and reroll to your charge distance. It only grants the re-roll of charge distance against vehicles, but yeah it helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 So far I am liking what I am hearing....~28% points reduction in jump pack DC, ~18% points reduction in sanguinary guard, DC are scoring, grav guns, heavy flamers on tac marines, we get our codex psychic powers back.... It's still pre-mature to judge, but if this stuff is true, it's exactly what BA needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Affordable Death Company? But...but I've already painted so many black marines. So rock the Angels Encarmine and start painting white? See, I got your back man. Paint more black, or suffer the agony of painting white... I hate you guys :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Only vehicles? In that case it still sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 So far I am liking what I am hearing....~28% points reduction in jump pack DC, ~18% points reduction in sanguinary guard, DC are scoring, grav guns, heavy flamers on tac marines, we get our codex psychic powers back.... It's still pre-mature to judge, but if this stuff is true, it's exactly what BA needed. Did I miss something, I don't think DC being scoring is confirmed, it's just an assumption because they are thought to still be in the troop slot.. Call me a pessimist if you must Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-beard Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 You didn't miss anything, it's still a rumor. I'm basing it on Pascainz's comments that they have "rage" rather than "black rage" and that he didn't see anything in their special rules that said they weren't scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Yup - defs too early to make that assumption! Interesting that the DC get a character! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/25/#findComment-3879037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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