Leonite Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah. Some of you might remember I said I'm going for the World Eaters. I even ordered the paint. However, the temptation for a more... fluffy list, one that wasn't more focused to close combat (like my Chaos Space Marines who's core consists of two all round squads of CSM with double flamers or Meltas in Rhinos, supported by 3 Dreadnoughts, 2 Predators and either a Thousand Son Squad, Noise Marines or Spawn depending on the characters used,) has become a bit stronger and my like for the Deathshroud models (as well as the idea of reusing them as a squad of Chosen Terminators in my CSM army with Plague Marines) has surged up stronger. It doesn't hurt that all the ordered models so far are MK2 Power Armor and that I'm getting White and gold as part of the paint pack. As a result, using Battlescribe I made up a 1500 point list. Why 1500? Because of my two local GW's, I think it would be hard to convince a regular to do a 1500 point game, let alone 2000. HQ Praetor in Terminator Armor with Rad Grenades, Combi Bolter and Deathshroud Power Scythe - 155pts (Yes, I know, 1500 points and all that. Problem is aside from maybe a Chaplain, I see no compulsary Consul I could make that is worth it. That, and it gives me a slot for Deathshroud) Command Deathshroud - 4 Deathshroud each with Rad Grenades - 210 pts (Essentially the unit is designed to get the most use out of the Deathshroud set, but also to partly serve as both a Distraction Carnifex and a tough unit to hold the line or to simply hang back and provide counter assault if setting up as a gunline. If I can get more points, I'll add a Primus Medicae to the lot.) - Troops 2 Squads of 19 Tactiical Legionaires, both with Sergeants in Artificer Armor, with Power Weapons, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades, and with a Legion Vexilla. - 295 Points a piece, 590 Together. (The core of the army, designed to march forward and soak up hits, take objectives and Hold The Line.) - Elites 2 Apothecaries with Artificer Armor, Power Weapons and Augury Scanners, 70 Points each, 140 together. (An obvious choice if you ask me. 21 man squads of Space Marines with Feel no Pain sounds very... Nurgle.) Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin Auto Cannons - 165pts (Even I'm not mad enough to try going into the meta of today without a dedicated anti air-craft unit, as well as being a vehicle destroyer.... or at least, any lighter vehicle. See Heavy Support for part 2 of that little tale.) Techmarine with - 45 pts (This one is purely due to having 45 points left over to spend, and wanting what I chose below as a unit instead of the more expensive Spartan. His role is to stay behind and provide Maintainance for the vehicle gunline.) - Heavy Support Sicaran Battle Tank with Lascannon Sponsons and Armoured Ceremite. - 175pts. (The Heavy Vehicle wrecker. Used to lack the Ceremite before I realized that of the two, the Sicaran will attract a LOT of fire power, so I swapped out the gun of choice on the Contemptor Mortis) So... thoughts? I'm tempted to drop the Techmarine and simply give the Sicaran and Mortis upgrades to make them more killy, given that the most likely opponents of choice are going to be various flavours of space marines. (40k versions.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Araghast Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Great fluffy list. You can drop techmarine and add some meltabombs for your sergeants and deathshroud. Why do you make them command then elites? Also your Sicaran in that combination is 195 points. And it's right combination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3904147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 The Sergeants have Meltabombs already, but adding them to the Deathshroud and then swapping the Auto's for assualts sounds like a good idea. Nice catch on the Sicaran though, I had forgot to tick the option on Battlescribe when I glimpsed at the points. I am well aware that in assault this army is in trouble to say the least. It's why the squads are 20/21 strong. It's why the Deathshroud are, in essence, 5 strong. EDIT: As for the use of Deathshroud in the HQ, I'm going to be playing 40K games. 3 Elite slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3904190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Ok, here's the updated list below. HQ Praetor in Terminator Armor with Rad Grenades, Combi Flamer and Deathshroud Power Scythe - 162pts (Yes, I know, 1500 points and all that. Problem is aside from maybe a Chaplain, I see no compulsary Consul I could make that is worth it. That, and it gives me a slot for Deathshroud. Also, Combi Flamer is mostly there for Synergy with the Deathshroud, although it could be a Melta too.) Command Deathshroud - 4 Deathshroud each with Rad Grenades and Melta Bombs - 230 pts (Essentially the unit is designed to get the most use out of the Deathshroud set, but also to partly serve as both a Distraction Carnifex and a tough unit to hold the line or to simply hang back and provide counter assault if setting up as a gunline. If I can get more points, I'll add a Primus Medicae to the lot.) - Troops 2 Squads of 19 Tactiical Legionaires, both with Sergeants in Artificer Armor, with Power Weapons, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades, and with a Legion Vexilla. - 295 Points a piece, 590 Together. (The core of the army, designed to march forward and soak up hits, take objectives and Hold The Line.) - Elites 2 Apothecaries with Artificer Armor, Power Weapons and Augury Scanners, 70 Points each, 140 together. (An obvious choice if you ask me. 21 man squads of Space Marines with Feel no Pain sounds very... Nurgle.) Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin Kheres AssualtCannons - 180pts (Even I'm not mad enough to try going into the meta of today without a dedicated anti air-craft unit, as well as being a vehicle destroyer.... or at least, any lighter vehicle. See Heavy Support for part 2 of that little tale.) - Heavy Support Sicaran Battle Tank with Lascannon Sponsons and Armoured Ceremite. - 195pts. (The Heavy Vehicle wrecker. Used to lack the Ceremite before I realized that of the two, the Sicaran will attract a LOT of fire power, so I swapped out the gun of choice on the Contemptor Mortis) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3905492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I like the list in general and it is certainly fluffy. I'm a bit worried about the mobility of you death shroud though. They might be a bit too easily avoided, and you need them to do some kiling. For 5 points more than a sicaran you could by a Landraider proteus. Now this isn't an assault transport, but you could deliver a nasty load of flame attacks from your death shroud upon disembarkation. The tank itself brings reliable lascannons and is far more durable than a sicaran. Plus, you death shroud are much safer inside it - they are tartaros not cataphracti so will drop a fair bit more easily to fire power. Of course you are missing the awesome auto cannons and amazing sicaran model so there is plenty of reason to ignore the land raider. I think it might be a better option though, with a Phobos better still (if you can find the 55points). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3905684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 The problem with me swapping it out is both that... and the fact that if I did that, it sorta feels like I'm going against the spirit of the army. Slow, footslogging types. I might swap it out, but at the same time, the Proteus will be a bigger fire magnet and lack the armored Ceremite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3905927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Personally I've gone with the approach that if it's not carrying troops it's not a vehicle the Death Guard would favor. Or god forbid it flies (ew). Maybe self-propelled guns and artillery here and there. Imagine, the artillery smoke clears and the first thing the enemy sees from their trenches are waves of tall, silent spectres striding through no-man's land. They begin to open fire on the figures but as they do, more artillery splashes down among them, releasing clouds of horrific gas and creeping phosphex! A few strongpoints and bunkers don respirators and hold out, but then some of the space marines begin to open formation as they relentlessly advance and on comes a medley of heavy transports laden with terminators and chem-flamer units. RIP Anyway the Proteus has AV14 all around, which could potentially make up for the lack of ceramite. Even with the upgrade the Sicaran can have a Storm eagle or outflanking vet squad or something pop up and blast it in the side with meltas/las/missiles and just kind of end it. Don't need the melta bonus to pop AV12. The main thing is that while the Sicaran is a strong choice, an armoured transport works as a force multiplier in this case, making the terminators potentially way more effective. The Praetor and Deathshroud are nearly a 3rd of your army's points costs too, so they better be able to do something. If you want footslogging terminators, regular Cataphractii or Grave Wardens might be a better call because they can reach out a little and touch things, and survive return fire with 4++. But you're down with the 14th cause the Deathshroud are amazing models, so... Oh, and should your tac squads be 20 dudes? I think for 19 and those upgrades they're 285 points. And you could maybe lose the rad grenades on the Deathshroud if the Praetor is with them and has the rad grenades. I think that works Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3905999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'll consider the Land Raider then, I've just had bad experiences using them in 1500 point games and below. And yes, I picked the Shroud for the fantastic Models sadly. I might buy some Grave Wardens to swap out on occasion though (partly because I can see using them as Chaos Terminators too, but I digress, they are great models too.) As for the Rad Grenades, I don't want to lose the capability if my Praetor is, say, killed in a challenge. Still, probably will drop them for the Land Raider to have upgrades. As for the tactical squads, it is 20, 19 men and 1 sergeant. 21 if you count the Apothecary Keep in mind this army is planned for 40K games mostly. EDIT: 40 points! I might just drop the Rad Grenades, see if I can get something more with that. Maybe free up the Asualt cannons for Auto cannons, see what I could take for an extra 55 points. EDIT2: Mind you, without the Rads, my 4 Deathshroud are currently cheaper than a basic Grave Warden squad. Food for thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3906018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I dont think itd be a big deal to drop a couple of tacs from eqch squad to scrape together a few points to make the suggested changes. If youre playing mainly against 40k, even a 15 strong tac squad with an attached apoth will be far superior to its 40k counterpart. Food for thought, freedom man.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3906052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Hell, you could drop five from each squad, buy the extra ccw upgrade (which will be deadly with rad grenades) and still have some play money left over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3906054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Hmmm... and 32 Deathguard, Shadowed by a Land Raider and a walking piece of artilary, constantly moving, mowing down anything in their path with precision fire power, not slowing even once as they continue their march of death. Sounds fun. Plus, lets me put the Death Guard in my CSM army as my regular CSM brand (Or Plague Marines). Can make the Apothecaries into other roles, even sorcerers or minor lords, I have plenty of HQ's already but it would be fun to have cheap alternatives to go with my cheapo Nurgle Sorcerer. I'll work up a list later on Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3906225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hmmm... I had a thought. I do plan, at some point, to expand this list into 2000 points. Would it be more conductive to get the landraider for this list and keep it in the next one, or the Sicaran, and get the Spartan for the 2000 list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3910977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 What are you putting in the Spartan at 2k? Even more deathshroud? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3911121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 What are you putting in the Spartan at 2k? Even more deathshroud? Well essentially it'd be the replacement transport for the Land Raider in this case. There'd probably be points left over for more Deathshroud, but the more I think about it, it'd probably be more fluffy to take more/some Sicarans And/or Heavy Support squads wouldn't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3911457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazarak Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I love the second ccw idea. It really strengthens your cc capabities and reduces the exposure your main core faces in assault. Shores up a vulnerability in other words. Great list though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3911977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Alright, Altered list. This comes up to 1500 exactly! HQ Praetor in Terminator Armor with Rad Grenades and Mastercrafted Deathshroud Power Scythe - 170pts (Yes, I know, 1500 points and all that. Problem is aside from maybe a Chaplain, I see no compulsary Consul I could make that is worth it. That, and it gives me a slot for Deathshroud. Mastercrafted the Scythe as I figured mastercrafting would be more useful than Digital Lasers.) Command Deathshroud - 4 Deathshroud each with Melta Bombs - 190 pts (You love them or hate them, Deathshroud are the honour guard of my Praetor.) Dedicated Transport - Land Raider Phobos with Armored Ceremite - 270 pts (I'm weak, I know, but a Land Raider was a good suggestion. The only problem I have with this is... well, in 2000 point games, I'd probably want to add a Primus Medicae to the list in the Deathshroud squad. Thoughts? A spartan at this point is 50 points more is all, drop one of the Deathshroud and the Mastercrafting and while it's oversized, it's a fitting party bus) - Troops 2 Squads of 14 Tactiical Legionaires with extra combat blades, both with a Sergeant in Artificer Armor, with Power Weapons, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades, and with a Legion Vexilla. - 275 Points a piece, 550 Together. (The core of the army, designed to march forward and soak up hits, take objectives and Hold The Line. Given extra CCW's so that if assaulty armies come their way, they're ready) - Elites 2 Apothecaries with Artificer Armor, Power Weapons and Augury Scanners, 70 Points each, 140 together. (An obvious choice if you ask me. 16 man squads of Space Marines with Feel no Pain sounds very... Nurgle. That and I have the models already and have already converted the power swords. I'm quite aware that 70 points is a premium to pay, but they essentially function as secondary sergeants) Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought with twin Kheres AssualtCannons - 180pts (Completely unchanged, even with the Phobos taking the Sicaran's Tank Hunter place.) - Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3922474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I like it. Seeing as you are keen on a Spartan long term though, and it would bring quad lascannons to help your AT it might be worth considering that option. You won't be able to afford the flare shield and armoured ceramite at 1.5k, but it allows you to make a meaner deathshroud squad at 2k in a very tough tank. It is probably a purchase with bigger games in mind, but should work OK here anyway. To buy it, I'd actually look at stripping some other upgrades. You could only tool one of your legionary squads for combat - removing the AA and power weapon from one apothecary, and either the AA, Rads and power weapon from one tact sergeant or the extra combat weapons from one squad would give you the 50 points you need. You then have one tact unit focussed more on objective holding, one more flexible one for taking ground and the fight to the enemy. Finally, Typhon is only 30 points more than your praetor and brings a few additional bonuses... certainly worth considering as I think you could find the points if you wanted him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3922665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Problem with that is my two Apothecaries have already had power weapons converted for my pledge XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3922672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor'Vesh Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Meh. Call it a normal sword for 1.5k, and upgrade it in 2k. Not ideal, but not the end of the world. Or just keep the sword and drop the MC power scythe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3922689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I like the list alot. It kinda sucks that we have to plan ahead and take our finances into account. Hmmm, reality. So..... instead of juggling around and compketely destroying this well composed list youve got going on, do this!!! Buy a spartan anyway!!!! Yes thats right, you heard me. Youre talking about running infantry models as counts as this and that, so why not just run the spartan as a regular land raider in lower points games. Yes, geniys I know. Lol, no serioysly though, it coukd work. As long as those around you dont mind, anduf they do, well, f em. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3924239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Or use a Tissue box as a VERY cheap and affordable stand in for a Spartan pending spending money to get one :P? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3924260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Transport capacity: 25 tissues Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3924362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 ... really if I need to I could always run my Chaos Land Raider (with Slaaneshi Icons) as the Phobos. Besides, I only have the basics so far. Every big thing waits until... well, July when I'm over in England for a wedding, and get some early time there. Warhammer World trip and all that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-3924367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonite Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Right, a double post I know, but this was months ago. I thought it would be best to go through this list again and see what people think now that the options for a Legion army have been changed. As a reminder, the Basic list is: Praetor Deathshroud Command Squad (I like the models and the Praetor will be a convert of one of them) Either a Phobos OR a Spartan Two Squads of 15 Tacs (including their Sergeants in the count) with an apothecary each. Contemptor Mortis Dread. The idea is to have a foot slogging army while the Phobos/Spartan and the CM Dread support with heavy firepower. At the moment I do have a couple of ideas in Battlescribe, but I lack the latest book (planned to be acquired as of July along with the models for anything but the first 10 of each tac, their sergeants and the Apoths) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/301190-me-being-indecisive-1500pts-death-guard-trial-list/#findComment-4090407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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