Where Do The Names For Legion Members Originate From?

[Marshal Rohr]

I don't remember organized crime being big on Nostramo. Gangs certainly, but true criminal organizations often have a para-administrative level that a gang would lack. An inner city gang, red neck meth dealers, or one percenter crews will tend towards the extractive end of the spectrum, while the Mafia and the Yakuza are more subtle in their extraction. The vor, I've never studied, so I can't pass much comment on how they would fit into how Nostramo has been portrayed. 

[Operative]

I presume the higher ups in the "Government" would have run quite a lot of organised crime, otherwise how would they be so influential?

[Marshal Rohr]

Money probably. Personalistic government is inherently unstable because it doesn't outlast the leadership. Any regime that erupts into violence during a power vaccuum is patrimonial and worthless as an effective form of administration.

 

Edit: The Imperium's collapse after the death of the Emperor is the perfect in universe example.

[drooling blood]

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK marines were planet wide.

Some Marines go a lottery.  Terran Thousand Sons were mostly recruited from a specific locale. Which was razed after prospero. If i remember right.

The Blood Angels are a bastardised version of middle eastern and italian.

The Dark Angels are usually daemons, or  daemon fighting bible thumpers.

[drooling blood]

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope

Terran thousand sons were recruited from a specific region. Which was razed i think.

Blood angels are bastardised versions on mid east and romanish.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope

Terran thousand sons were recruited from a specific region. Which was razed i think.

Blood angels are bastardised versions on mid east and romanish.

 

 

Just because Ahriman was recruited from a specific place (which is also geographically where the Iron Warriors were founded), doesn't mean he is wrong. The geneseed of the XV required certain compatibility issues because of the flesh change, which means they would had to cast their net far and wide for recruits or they wouldn't have been viable as a Legion. It would've been a lot harder to find people if they confined themselves to 'anybody with an archaic Persian name AND resistance to warp diseases'. All the Legions took recruits from all across Terra, but the numbers varied significantly, and some were given a specific region at one point in time (more than likely to bring a high influx of recruits for the 'first batch' of legionaries). I mean it would sound silly if a perfectly good recruit, compatible with XV Legion gene stock was turned away because his name was Michael.

[drooling blood]

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope they dont. Dumb dumd dumd dumd dum.

 

The thousand sons were recruited from a specific area. Which was razed afterwoods i think.

[drooling blood]

 

 

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope

Terran thousand sons were recruited from a specific region. Which was razed i think.

Blood angels are bastardised versions on mid east and romanish.

 

 

Just because Ahriman was recruited from a specific place (which is also geographically where the Iron Warriors were founded), doesn't mean he is wrong. The geneseed of the XV required certain compatibility issues because of the flesh change, which means they would had to cast their net far and wide for recruits or they wouldn't have been viable as a Legion. It would've been a lot harder to find people if they confined themselves to 'anybody with an archaic Persian name AND resistance to warp diseases'. All the Legions took recruits from all across Terra, but the numbers varied significantly, and some were given a specific region at one point in time (more than likely to bring a high influx of recruits for the 'first batch' of legionaries). I mean it would sound silly if a perfectly good recruit, compatible with XV Legion gene stock was turned away because his name was Michael.

 

 

 

It obviously wsnt just Arhiman, otherwise they wouldnt need wiping out. They had a high percentage of psykers i think.

 

They wouldnt have to cast a net so wide, It only happens in the um familiy so to speak.

 

Yeah because it was just that countries turn. Same as the Nam lottery, if its that random. But that area is sol. Its what the IOM does

30k years in the future. Being called Micheal. Could well mean your disqualifed from everything. A sad thought, but more likely.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

 

 

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope

Terran thousand sons were recruited from a specific region. Which was razed i think.

Blood angels are bastardised versions on mid east and romanish.

 

 

Just because Ahriman was recruited from a specific place (which is also geographically where the Iron Warriors were founded), doesn't mean he is wrong. The geneseed of the XV required certain compatibility issues because of the flesh change, which means they would had to cast their net far and wide for recruits or they wouldn't have been viable as a Legion. It would've been a lot harder to find people if they confined themselves to 'anybody with an archaic Persian name AND resistance to warp diseases'. All the Legions took recruits from all across Terra, but the numbers varied significantly, and some were given a specific region at one point in time (more than likely to bring a high influx of recruits for the 'first batch' of legionaries). I mean it would sound silly if a perfectly good recruit, compatible with XV Legion gene stock was turned away because his name was Michael.

 

 

 

It obviously wsnt just Arhiman, otherwise they wouldnt need wiping out. They had a high percentage of psykers i think.

 

They wouldnt have to cast a net so wide, It only happens in the um familiy so to speak.

 

Yeah because it was just that countries turn. Same as the Nam lottery, if its that random. But that area is sol. Its what the IOM does

30k years in the future. Being called Micheal. Could well mean your disqualifed from everything. A sad thought, but more likely.

 

 

Thats not at all what happens 20,000 years in the future when the Legions were founded. Its not a country, either. There are no countries in 30K. There are regions populated by diverse ethnolinguistic groups, kingdoms, satrapies, etc but there is no such thing as Iran, England, or America in 30K. 

 

Edit: A country implies an international system with mutual recognition of rights and abilities of states, which does not exist on Terra until the Emperor jumps a few rungs and forms a heterogenous Imperium. 

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

For all terran Marines anything goes. With the exception of the Salamanders, Wolves and Alpha Wizards, the marines were recruited planet wide.

 

and some legions have their members adopt new names where joining the Legion (seen in scars)

 

WLK

Nope they dont. Dumb dumd dumd dumd dum.

 

The thousand sons were recruited from a specific area. Which was razed afterwoods i think.

 

 

alright, first a brief etiquette lesson: responding to anything in "dumb dumd dumd dumd dum" makes you appear both stupid and disrespectful.

Stupid, because, well thats obvious. You incorrectly spelled "dumb" several times. One could claim they were trying to be funny/ironic, but I dont give you that courtesy. 

 

Disrespectful is obvious as well, but I'll spell it out slowly for you. You talk to people in the manner in which you request people speak to you in. That should be common sense, but sadly is lacking among many people nowadays.

 

If you have any further need for lessons on being a basic human being, pm me. I'll be happy to further explain how to interact with people without coming across as a tool.

 

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Now, you make the claim that since one Marine of a Legion came from a specifically listed region, that all of his legion came from that same region. Is there anything in print to support your claim?

 

The claim I made was incorrect, as I reviewed the material and saw that I cannot see where it is said they were taken from a specific region, just that were created in isolation from their brethren. This information can be found on page 115 of HH Book 2.

 

I swear that I've read that they were recruited from specific areas, but without something in print to back up that claim, I cannot expect it to be believed. If i can muster the courage to re-read Vulkan Lives, maybe something was in there.

 

 

WLK

 

  

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Locking this up for now to do some cleaning, as it's getting off topic and some mud is being slung.

 

Remember, personal attacks against other members is not allowed here and will not be tolerated.

[jeremy1391]

 

 

Imperial naming conventions are difficult to pin down, but the most unusual thing I've noticed is just how few Anglo-Saxon and Biblical names there are. You don't see a lot of Johns, James', Or Davids. Thankfully, you don't see many American names either, because I don't know how seriously I could take Admiral Jalen, Guardsmen North West, or Canoness Apple.

I know what you mean, I can't take seriously a Raven Guard named Agapito...Is an unusual name, and kind of a joke name around here. Partly because "pito" is a colloquial synonym to penis so...

Aga is a type of Raven and pito can mean to hoot or caw... So aga pito could mean the Ravens song, or ravens caw.... Also remember family friendly forum so please refrain from using slang or making references to genitalia.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I'm opening this back up, but let's keep it civil and on topic, please.

[Father Mehman]

When I was making up names for my Iron Hands in 40k, I used pretty much anything I could find. I sometimes made names full of consonants and devoid of vowels. It boggled my brain for a bit but they ended up coming mainly (if I remember correctly) from Gaelic, Greek, Roman, Latin, and Egyptian naming conventions. Mix them up, make them shorter, add other names from other regions/eras together. It would probably better serve if I gave everyone a few, just for kicks.

 

Raaki

 

Yrid

 

Ezkel

 

Gdoran

 

Lycrund

 

Iodred

 

You get the hang of it, yes? Good. The inspiration comes from various Iron Hands novels and short stories set in the m40,000. It seems like they just run around with crazy conventions on Medusa! Although I have seen some Johannes and other Teutonic names in our hobby... Well, silly Black Templars. Anywho, give a holler if you need some more clarification.

[DuskRaider]

For my Terran Death Guard, I went with Gaelic names (Scottish, Irish), as they're from Albia and I would figure they'd make more sense. For my Barbarusian Death Guard, I went with Slavic and Turkish names... they sound especially brutal and gutteral in some cases, which I think would suit the Legion well.

[Father Mehman]

For my Terran Death Guard, I went with Gaelic names (Scottish, Irish), as they're from Albia and I would figure they'd make more sense. For my Barbarusian Death Guard, I went with Slavic and Turkish names... they sound especially brutal and gutteral in some cases, which I think would suit the Legion well.

See, I wasn't sure about Albia. I thought they could be talking about Albania--> Russia, Eastern Bloc, etc. Well, in this case, I've got to go back to the naming board.

[DuskRaider]

Nope, Albia would be England, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Wales. Maybe Northern France, depending on how the geography of Terra has changed.

 

Edit: That would also mean Iron Hands Terrans and possibly Night Lords would also follow this naming convention... Night Lords may be a little more iffy due to being a prison system, thus not necessarily having a proper culture (prisoners can come from all over Terra).

[depthcharge12]

Nope, Albia would be England, Scotland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Wales. Maybe Northern France, depending on how the geography of Terra has changed.

 

Edit: That would also mean Iron Hands Terrans and possibly Night Lords would also follow this naming convention... Night Lords may be a little more iffy due to being a prison system, thus not necessarily having a proper culture (prisoners can come from all over Terra).

Interesting tidbit I'd almost forgot.

 

All of Earths land masses/continents are moving together again in a second Pangea (which transpires over a large period of time) but hey we're talking about 28,000 years into the future.

[Conn Eremon]

I wouldn't just say "nope," as I feel Albia as future Albania(ish) feels much more fitting to the Dusk Raiders than future Britain(ish).

 

But we do also need to consider that the names given might not apply to their namesakes in the present, and I would argue that this is the most likely scenario.

 

For instance, for all we know "Albia" does reference that particular island, but in a round about way. It's rather habitual of humanity to this day for us to recycle names, especially once their namesakes have drifted backward into antiquity (and from what we're shown of 30/40k, it's still common tens of thousands of years later). We have planets named after dead gods, a river named for an ancient land of warrior women (and also potentially my home state), and so, so many others. It's entirely possible that there will be a new nation or population that will take this name for themselves, likely after modern-day British are no longer around or have become something much different (for instance, compare the modern-day Italy to the Roman Republic. Or for 1800s Americas to 1400s Americas). But considering how much time has passed, and how incredibly rapidly social identities have changed in our own history, it's far more likely that this has occurred many times, in many different areas or peoples, and whatever still had that identity in the Age of the Emperor might have zero relation to its modern day namesake. What if the original Amazonians were called that because they had reminded others of a dead society barely remembered, and long forgotten by now? What if those Amazonians had been named the same way? Would the Amazonians from 6,000 years ago, a tribal people known for keeping themselves safe from nearby war-like peoples by being indispensable trade partners, look at the Amazon River and think "It was named after us, and only us?" Well, maybe, if they're not aware of the other Amazonians, but would they be right? Would it recognize California?

[DuskRaider]

Well in the grim darkness of the far future, even polite Brits are techno barbarians.

[Emperor's Furor]

Didn't it describe Albia's location as being a north western tech enclave or something and it's troops were "ironsides" which reminds me of Oliver Cromwell's New Parliamentarian Army.

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, Albia is the only Kingdom that was brought into the fold via negotiations and diplomacy instead of outright conquest. Technology like Dreadnoughts originated from Albia. Also, I would assume the name comes from Alba, or Scotland. And yes, there is the unfortunate hat tip to Cromwell.

[Emperor's Furor]

Yeah, Albia is the only Kingdom that was brought into the fold via negotiations and diplomacy instead of outright conquest. Technology like Dreadnoughts originated from Albia. Also, I would assume the name comes from Alba, or Scotland. And yes, there is the unfortunate hat tip to Cromwell.

Not necessarily just Alba, but Albion, the oldest name for the Islands of Great Britain.

[DuskRaider]

Meh... Same general location. Just think the Scots would make better techno barbarians

[depthcharge12]

Meh... Same general location. Just think the Scots would make better techno barbarians :P

Yeah they conquered using only kilts and haggis.