HeritorA Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 If you are a CSM warband leader and have a fleet - what stops you saying hi Abby and simply run away to the other corner of the Eye of Terror. What do you think - that Abaddon will start running after everyone who says 'no' or 'f..' to him? He simply will spend all his time doing that. And nobody will follow him after that for sure. Any opinions would be much appreciated. Abbadon's portrayal in ToH is a lot more nuanced than previous iterations of him. He's no longer the choleric First Captain whose first answer is always violence but a wiser warrior tempered by his pilgrimage through the Eye. I imagine warlords flock to him out of respect for his martial ability, look for kinship in his brotherhood, and believe in his vision of a destiny free from distant fathers. I doubt many would choose to depart from his legionl Because it's 30-32k. And in W40k he is a choleric dick - just read the last part of 'Red Path' by Dows. He sacrificed his own terminator bretheren putting the, between Gorechild. And his bodyguard were standing and watching - cause he is such a shiny master, so loveble and likeable, lol. He sacrificed his bretherens to make pact with de, he sacrificed 'his friends' to get powerful artifacts, he sacrificed warlords to prove a point - A POINT to loyal SM. In every W40K book he is a calculating dick who thinks only about himself. Will you follow such master? I definitely not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 If you are a CSM warband leader and have a fleet - what stops you saying hi Abby and simply run away to the other corner of the Eye of Terror. What do you think - that Abaddon will start running after everyone who says 'no' or 'f..' to him? He simply will spend all his time doing that. And nobody will follow him after that for sure. Any opinions would be much appreciated. Abbadon's portrayal in ToH is a lot more nuanced than previous iterations of him. He's no longer the choleric First Captain whose first answer is always violence but a wiser warrior tempered by his pilgrimage through the Eye. I imagine warlords flock to him out of respect for his martial ability, look for kinship in his brotherhood, and believe in his vision of a destiny free from distant fathers. I doubt many would choose to depart from his legionl Because it's 30-32k. And in W40k he is a choleric dick - just read the last part of 'Red Path' by Dows. He sacrificed his own terminator bretheren putting the, between Gorechild. And his bodyguard were standing and watching - cause he is such a shiny master, so loveble and likeable, lol.He sacrificed his bretherens to make pact with de, he sacrificed 'his friends' to get powerful artifacts, he sacrificed warlords to prove a point - A POINT to loyal SM. In every W40K book he is a calculating dick who thinks only about himself. Will you follow such master? I definitely not All that means is his portrayal by that author sucks. ADB has only written 40k abandon ince from the perspective of a night lord who would disagree with the Sky being blue if anyone but Kurze told him so. Once ADB writes 40k abandon that'll fix the character until the studio changes his fluff again arbitrarily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yup, in my mind Abaddon's appreance in "The Red Path" almost undid what ADB accomplished in ToH. I think that, given people's perception of the character (and we have spoke long about how justified or unjustified that perception may be) BL needs to be more careful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 This is gonna sound a little ridiculous because it's antithetical to the setting, but GW needs to humanize chaos. Make the benefits tangible. Without that it's just berzerkers cutting off heads, tzeentch betraying people pointlessly, nurgle being gross, and noise marines going to naughty websites. If we actually saw much more powerful a warband becomes when some scheme comes to fruition it would all make more sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 If you are a CSM warband leader and have a fleet - what stops you saying hi Abby and simply run away to the other corner of the Eye of Terror. What do you think - that Abaddon will start running after everyone who says 'no' or 'f..' to him? He simply will spend all his time doing that. And nobody will follow him after that for sure. Any opinions would be much appreciated. Abbadon's portrayal in ToH is a lot more nuanced than previous iterations of him. He's no longer the choleric First Captain whose first answer is always violence but a wiser warrior tempered by his pilgrimage through the Eye. I imagine warlords flock to him out of respect for his martial ability, look for kinship in his brotherhood, and believe in his vision of a destiny free from distant fathers. I doubt many would choose to depart from his legionlBecause it's 30-32k. And in W40k he is a choleric dick - just read the last part of 'Red Path' by Dows. He sacrificed his own terminator bretheren putting the, between Gorechild. And his bodyguard were standing and watching - cause he is such a shiny master, so loveble and likeable, lol.He sacrificed his bretherens to make pact with de, he sacrificed 'his friends' to get powerful artifacts, he sacrificed warlords to prove a point - A POINT to loyal SM. In every W40K book he is a calculating dick who thinks only about himself. Will you follow such master? I definitely not All that means is his portrayal by that author sucks. ADB has only written 40k abandon ince from the perspective of a night lord who would disagree with the Sky being blue if anyone but Kurze told him so. Once ADB writes 40k abandon that'll fix the character until the studio changes his fluff again arbitrarily. Not exactly - I think they were given 'that opinion' on Abaddon from the fluff team. If you ask any SM in the Eye of Terror - will you follow Abaddon in 30-32k most of them probably will say 'yes'. In W40K - that includes a lot of thought process where to hide, and how to run. Yup, in my mind Abaddon's appreance in "The Red Path" almost undid what ADB accomplished in ToH. I think that, given people's perception of the character (and we have spoke long about how justified or unjustified that perception may be) BL needs to be more careful. Exactly. It's like Abaddon made evolution from unthinking loyal son and choleric (let's kill everything) first captain in HH to thoughtful and considerate warband/company/Bl Legion commander in 30-32k and then regressed to his selfish HH self in W40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 This is gonna sound a little ridiculous because it's antithetical to the setting, but GW needs to humanize chaos. Make the benefits tangible. Without that it's just berzerkers cutting off heads, tzeentch betraying people pointlessly, nurgle being gross, and noise marines going to naughty websites. If we actually saw much more powerful a warband becomes when some scheme comes to fruition it would all make more sense. Also so true - cause right now CSM are worse than brainless cultists. A day from World Eater life - wake up, clean the chainaxe, find nicely looking skull, chop the head, go to short sleep - day ends. A day from Tzeentchian CSM - wake up, reread a book, bind a daemon, start preparing a ritual, convert with daemon - day ends. A day of Nurgle CSM - never slept, squize the bubonic growth in your guts, smile, squize it again, smile - say ty to Grandpa and go gardening. A day of Emperor's Children CSM - remove the clamps and anal sphincter, listen hard rock compilation from the Dark Age of Technology, tickle himself with an electric rod, searh for a pink unicorn in a drug dream Yeah - it's such an interesting life, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I dunno, with Tzeentch you can enjoy researching and discovering things about the arcane, with Nurgle you're generally happy and just want hugs/more time gardening, and with Slaanesh...well they have a lot of 'fun' all that time. Khorne though, is literally just for psychos. I'd love to see some more Khorne followers who go down the path of honour and glory more than chop-hack-slice all day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 To be fair "Red Path" by Dows is probably the worst thing I've read from Black Library. The bolter porn is awful and represents something like 80% of the whole "story". His Khârn, just like his Abaddon are retarded meatheads that simply don't fit in the setting since they'd be dead by 40k. But honestly, every character around is a spectacular failure at building something interesting. Which is sad. Because I paid for that. Not for the mindless bolter porn which got tedious super fast. I don't really understand how it managed to get published. Well. I've learned my lesson. I'll never buy something not made by AD-B when it comes to Black Library. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Is any of this discussion about the Master of Mankind book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Is that a rhetorical question ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 So be it, we can reconsider this topic at a later date. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303003-master-of-mankindon-the-horizon/page/20/#findComment-4563927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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