Frostmourne Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hey, I have been doing lists for most of the day, and its getting me fed up and frustrated. I am finding myself hamstrung by some campaign restraints. In the campaign i will be playing for the next 6 months, my HQ wins an extra 5 points for every MC, Vehicles or Warlord he kills. So i need to make sure he is killing things, and can get a decent assault out. So my list is Praetor (Yes, he HAS to be a Praetor for the Campaign)-Paragon Blade-Digital Lasers-Master Crafted-Combat Augment Array-190Command Squad-+2 Guys- 5 Combat Shields- 3 Power Weapons- 2 Power Fists-205Land Raider is, well, we all know. 200 and 50Then i have 2 barebones Tactical Squads with Rhinos-370Also have a Master of Signals -AA-95With Heavy Dev Squad with Lascannons-Augory Scanner-245Deredeo Dreadnought-Aiolos Missile System-Armoured Ceramite-240Then a Sicaran-Lascannons-175I dont feel as though this list is very secure, or very interesting to be fair.Im willing to drop almost everything apart from the Praetor, the Deredeo (As i love it) And the Sicaran, (As i love that too)Any thoughts, i need this decided for Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 What Legion are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Biomancy libby, with cataphractii plus stave or axe to roll with the praetor team. There are some interesting powers in the biomancy list that can help you HULK SMASH!!!! Or hinder what you need to kill. As a tag team theyd be brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Your list is composed of good gimmicky units, but are easily destroyed if you don't get 1st turn. Lascannon heavy support squad is a waste of points, I'd trade it for 3 las destroyer arrays (unless you play IF and get tank hunter) and stick the MoS in it. Way better with twin linked ordinance shots at ap1 IMHO What armies are you facing? Was it just Eldar? Iirc If you are, I'd take a master of the forge with a power axe, rad grenades, termie armor, cyber familiar, and a cortex controller. Take any number of Thallax as his rule allows and stick him in the raider with the command squad/praetor. He'll give it survivability, help in cc, and his thallax are good for AT and ignoring jink saves. You are also lacking much in the anti infantry section other than the praetor squad and the Aiolos missile launcher. Twin Kheres Mortis dread does great but you can do a lot with a Scorpius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Also, if you can, sink points into armored ceramite on your Land Raider. You'll be up against 40k armies (iirc) so nothing like neutering their Melta Capabilites and laugh as your LR's are more resilient than the 40k counterparts. If you don't feel that the list is beefy enough (you also have like 230 points loose to play with in this list, right?) maybe go Pride of the Legion instead and roll with Terminators and Vets in spades. 10 man Tac Vets in Rhinos are already inherently better than a 10 Man Tac Squad in a Rhino and while they cost more, they have more flexibility and can take squad wide Melta Bombs. Especially since you'll be running Generic Legion rules until the Ultra Book is out so you could potentially double dip them ie: take Stubborn army-wide and take Sniper/Furious Charge/Fearless on the Vets. Terminators are, well, terminators. Are you allowed to take book 4 relics? I read in another topic of yours that you just got it [the book] so having a Moritat with Dual Serpentas and the Phase Walker or Chaplain and VSH accompanying your choppy block would help with their durability once outside of their Ride. Even just slapping the Warp Shunt Field onto your Preator or other Support HQ choice (Primus, Libby, etc) would be decent points sinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 If you *really* want to troll. Take an Achilles Alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 Iv just got back from a Hobby evening with the Organiser and sorted a few things out. Yes i can use the Relics from book 4, and potentially a small 500 point force of them to make appearances in larger games. Im not really looking at taking another HQ choice, apart from maybe the Moritat as that amount of Cheese is just what i need to taunt a few smarmy players. Point conceeded on the Lascannon Squad though, and if they go, the Master of Signals goes as well, as there isnt a decent place for him to go thats thematic. So thats points saved. Slips, as you may remember, i was running this as a Pride of the Legion list, but found that i couldnt fit ALOT in it, obviously, and i felt that limited some of the 30k essence, which was annoying. But Vet tactical Squads are definitely the right way to go. Splitting the points from the Dev Squad between the two tacticals that should boost them to appropriate levels roughly, maybe some to spare, the points from the Master of Signals can go into something else though. Increasing the 200-300 points spare to about 400. And i would like to spend that on something that 40k doesnt have. I would like this army to stand out on the table and be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 4 Predators, all with Executioner cannon, PotMS and dozer blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 With only 2 troops id say grab a seeker squad of combi plas death with a scouting vigilator for some turn 1 back field nuking... Or 6 dikbikes with 2 volkites to really screw with the 40k mindset... Or a typhon as nothing says good bye like a supersize ap1 pie plate...or a contemptor talon with kheres cannons and missle launchers to ruin just about anythings day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Take Armoured Spearhead through the Praetor (Rites of war) Drop the Heavy weapon teams replace them with a Squadron of Predators Entire force is mechanised, tank shock everything you can (its amazing how many Marines units will fail a Leadership check at -1) and get in their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Armoured Spearhead isn't a bad idea, but not very fun. But seems stupid to take a Praetor and not take a Rite of War. Going to have a look at it tonight, definitely want to try and fit a Fire Raptor in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Well, what do you find fun and/or interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hmm good question. Probably lots of individual units. Not that up for spamming. I like a lot of unique things. Precision tools if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 what Legion are using? That will probably help with suggestions a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Ultramarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Ultramarines. Until the book is out, are you running Furious Charge or Stubborn army wide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 With only 2 troops id say grab a seeker squad of combi plas death with a scouting vigilator for some turn 1 back field nuking... Or 6 dikbikes with 2 volkites to really screw with the 40k mindset... Or a typhon as nothing says good bye like a supersize ap1 pie plate...or a contemptor talon with kheres cannons and missle launchers to ruin just about anythings day Cannot deploy characters with Infiltrate rule with those who do not have infiltrate rule. Also, really? Being childish? And Kheres cannons are kinda *bad* with the Deredeo. They're very middle of the road kind of bad, rather than bad bad, but bad compared to good units, like Deredeo. Havoc Missiles are kind of poor too. Typhon is about my go to option for anyone who have enough points to run one (with Armoured Ceramite, of course). Failing that, Fire Raptors, Deredeo's, Achilles-Alpha, Whirlwind Scorpius, Furious Charge Veterans with a few power weapons, Drop Pods and Meltabombs in an Anvillus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Slips, I am running with Furious Charge for now and see how we go. I want my Praetor and Command Squad wrecking face. I have my Deredeo now and love it. A rough 1500 point list would be Praetor with trimmings Command squad of 5 with trimmings Land raider 2 bet squads in rhinos Deredeo with missiles and Autocanon Sicaran with Lascannons Scorpius I think that's abou right. I'm not sure if I included recon marines in there r not for a lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Honestly, thats solid for 1.5k going up from there will depend on how you want to round out the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 You reckon? Well I'm happy with that then. For 2k I will put another Vet squad in probably with a Fire Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Its 500 points, you could fit in a Fire Raptor and a Tac Blob if you needed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Yeah not a bad idea. And this all depends on how effective my Praetor missile is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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