b1soul Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Which primarch and/or legion do you find to be the most flavour-less, bland, boring? What do you think could be done to improve the primarch's and/or legion's characterisation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_ Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In before the Ultramarine hate.Honestly I'd say the Raven Guard are. Maybe I haven't read enough on them, but nothing stands out. Maybe due to the fact they all died very early in the Heresy.I would say this thread could cause some... Angst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'm gonna guess most people will say UM..? I don't like the Dark Angels. I find them very dull, but I don't really know what I would change to make them appeal to me. Maybe when FW do them I'll like them more, that's been the case with the Word Bearers (and thanks to ADB, I love them now) and the Iron Hands. inb4 the Ultramarine hate. Honestly I'd say the Raven Guard are. Maybe I haven't read enough on them, but nothing stands out. Maybe due to the fact they all died very early in the Heresy. I would say this thread could cause some... Angst. They didn't all die very early haha. Just...most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Damn Guilliman and his empire within an empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Alpha Legion and Raven Guard. They don't wake any emotions in me at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 My list is way longer than others... Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, Death Guard, Salamanders, if it was not for the armour colour (and tiny bit different Primarch origins) I would not be able to distinguish them at all. Raven Guard is a mix of trial versions of Night Lords + Blood Angels + White Scars, not adding anything to the 30k background. Abnett was able to salvage UM for me in Know No Fear, otherwise they would join the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For me? The Sons of Horus and Raven Guard. The RG, I really want to look. But their rules, minis, colour scheme, bland Primarch, okay-ish background just doesn't do a thing for me. And the SoH? Dull, dull, dull. Not very much character to them at all. Their cool green-ish scheme is the only appealing thing for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For me personally? There's enough in the background that I think I could enjoy coming up with the idea behind a company/chapter from any of the Legions. However... In terms of actually painting them... I'd have to say Raven Guard and 1K Sons. Tried hard to get into Raven Guard during March of the Legions a couple of months back, and just couldn't manage. Looking forward to the XV Legion and thinking pretty much the same thing. Looks like the RG might cop a bit of a flogging in this thread by the looks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I had to re-read the title: Legion we find boring, not hate. In no particular order: -Space Wolves: Mostly due to GW's cliche VIKINGS IN SPAAAACE. Boring. -Dark Angels: Dont inspire me at all. Everything I read about them has me going "meh" -Sons Of Horus: Same as the Dark Angels. Dont inspire me in any way even after reading about them more. If we go with Hate, theres only one legion for that and its the Word Bearers. Only pre-Lorgar Imperial Heralds I find interesting. Legions I find interesting but have no real desire to invest in: -Emperors Children; Fulgrim is the deal breaker here. -Death Guard -Alpha Legion; too much "Just As Planned" Shenanigans among other things. -Iron Hands; Robo-Fetish is a bit too strong for my tastes. -Ultramarines will see with the release of their FW stuff. Every other Legion not mentioned here I'd LOVE to represent on the Table Top and always enjoy reading more about them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There are no boring Primarchs/Legion...only boring people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is probally one of those that comes down the personal taste, for example I like the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, but I thin stuff like infiltration and subterfuge is cool. Saying that Im not a massive fan of the novels the Raven Gaurs have appeared in, I don't think Gav Thorpe has injected any character into a potentially legion that had potential. I think we can all inject our own character into Legions though, forge world has helped add open ended backgorund that we can work on. But to choose a legion, Emperors Children don't do it for me. The colour scheme is nice but everything is about them is just a turn off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 This is probally one of those that comes down the personal taste, for example I like the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, but I thin stuff like infiltration and subterfuge is cool. Saying that Im not a massive fan of the novels the Raven Gaurs have appeared in, I don't think Gav Thorpe has injected any character into a potentially legion that had potential. I think we can all inject our own character into Legions though, forge world has helped add open ended backgorund that we can work on. Thinking about it, my issue with Raven Guard may be entirely Gav's fault. Deliverance Lost was no fun to read, so much so that I think I'd completely forgotten that I'd read it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaz431 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I have read all of the horus heresy novels, thus far. I have listened to some of the audios. If I had a nearly endless supply of money, to just spend on heresy era legion armies, I think the only one, thus far I would have trouble wanting to spend the money on would be the Dark Angels. This is not because I'm a Night Lords fan boy. The current novels and the spare audio drama for them do not inspire me to see them painted on a table. It starts to be too much black. Yes I know, I just killed a goth kid by saying that sentence. Dark Angels, Iron Hands, & Raven Guard - all black. Lion'el Johnson does not hold my attention. Maybe they could be better written in the novels. I hope HH vol? has a better story or them to make me want to see them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Probably the Emperor's Children. They're just so much better than the other Legions that it gets a bit boring sometimes ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There are no boring Primarchs/Legion...only boring people. There were a number of Legions that I thought to be boring or uninteresting, but the last year or so viewing this sub forum has shown me otherwise. The Legions are as boring as they are made to be. If that isn't an opportunity to think outside the box, I don't know what is ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There are no boring Primarchs/Legion...only boring people.There were a number of Legions that I thought to be boring or uninteresting, but the last year or so viewing this sub forum has shown me otherwise. The Legions are as boring as they are made to be. If that isn't an opportunity to think outside the box, I don't know what is ;) At the same time I think there needs to be enough there to grab you and inspire you. I'm sure I could come up with a cool Dark Angels force if I put my mind to it, but there isn't anything about them that makes me want to do so. Anything I came up with I'm sure I could do similarly in another legion that I like and be more inspired and have more fun with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Probably the Emperor's Children. They're just so much better than the other Legions that it gets a bit boring sometimes ;) Shame the rules don't reflect a fraction of the perfect warriors!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hmmmm, this is a difficult question for me. For better or for worse, I'm an easy to please reader (which somehow doesn't weaken my own writing for some reason) and so I like a lot of the HH novels, which means that I can find something to like about most of the legions. I guess if I had to pick one, it'd be the Alpha Legion. If you emphasize too much secrecy in any given group/character, you end up washing away any potential flavor for the sake of the unknown. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I find most if not all the legions interesting in some shape or form, I may not appreciate them but recognise their reason for being about. I like the Night Lords deeper meanings behind the legions origin and how a slight deviation in a persons perception of justice can be so devisive, but sometimes it's hard to get past the idea they just enjoy torturing people and already look to much like 40k chaos marines. I like the Ultramarines professionalism, but it's hard to get past their very bland white knight like character which has been bred in me since an early age and even when I think I've overcome it, the feeling returns. I like the Imperial Fists loyalty and strict no nonsense attitude but it's hard for me now to see anything but Black Templars in 30k or the fact I've never read a story where they are on the offence in a big battle but always defending and most of the time fail. I like the grim reality of the Iron Warriors and can relate a lot to their general outlook on life which is quite depressing unfortunately, but that equally makes me loath them. Space Wolves are cool on the surface but pretty simple in the end. Blood Angels have an edge but so far their Primarch has seemed like he's day dreaming through events and Azkaellon has been more outspoken and he's a total idiot. Salamanders are cooler due to their newer fluff before they were one dimensional not there's a mysticism about them. Raven Guard were hurt by Deliverance Lost, some aspect were good but Corax came across as a total numbskull, later books and short stories have helped however. Death Guard were cool with Garro and I like the idea there heart was in the right place, but they have the same issue with the Word Bearers which is that their Primarchs was basically tricked by a lesser being into falling the wrong way. Before the Horus Heresy came out the Emperor's Children were the most intriguing legion to fall, they had a badass scheme and the name itself was cool, however their fall and subsequent outings did not work for me. One minute they are enjoy art and wine, the next they have intruments in her mouths and are admiring art made of excrement, all in the same book, their decent was to rapid for me. Iron Hands were not portrayed well in Fulgrim and unfortunately that set the scene for them in every following book. The idea of half bionic marines is cool though, but when the brain seems so impulsive and stupid it doesn't help. Sons of Horus were cool when they were Luna Wolves and they were always going to be difficult to explain how they suddenly turned. It still seems to me Horus is not really in control of himself but it doesn't explain how suddenly the rest of his legion seem to adopt his new outlook on life. Loken was of course the first badass of the series and someone with a conscious, Little Horus seems to have a conscious but still fights for Horus, he's the last interesting guy in the legion for me. World Eaters were boring, then Angron's nature was explained and they received some love from me, especially in Betrayer but the legion as a whole though is one dimensional now with even Khârn descending into madness. I like the Alpha Legion, I like their mysterious nature but most of all I love the idea the Legion itself is going through a split that is not entirely apparently but we as the readers know something is going on and I really want to know more. I like the enigmatic White Scars, especially after Christ Wraight's Scars but now knowing they ain't barbaric but very philosophical, I'm not sure they have much more to give. As mentioned above the Word Bearers were essentially undone by one person, and nowadays I don't really like religious extremism that the Word Bearers represent. I think the Emperor's Children are now pretty boring, as are the World Eaters you know what you're going to get from them, the others have room to surprise you but those guys are pretty set in their ways now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In all honesty, no Legion or Primarch is inherently boring. Each one reflects a different theme, be it a futuristic example of an ancient (or relatively modern in some cases) 'terran' civilisation, or an example of a certain type of warfare specialists. The Primarchs are the pinnacle of those examples, with their Legions being pulled along in their wake. So this shouldn't really be a discussion about whether or not a Legion is in itself boring, because it comes down to a combination of personal prejudice and opinions based around how the Legions (and their Primarchs) have been depicted by the fluff, which is inherently variable due to the quality (or lack thereof) in the writing of that fluff. Personally, I don't think any of the Legions or Primarchs are boring. There are some that have fared poorly when it comes to the way they've been depicted, usually as the result of lacklustre writing on the part of the author(s), but that doesn't make the Primarch / Legion boring in themselves. Personally, I feel that the Raven Guard and Dark Angels have been treated relatively poorly by the novels they've received thus far. I would like to see what someone like ADB would make of a full Raven Guard novel, as his style of writing suits a story that focusses on a small number of individuals, which is how the Raven Guard would often operate, especially after Istvaan. I would also like to see what Dan Abnett would make of the Dark Angels in a book that really focussed on them above all. Their presence in Unremembered Empire being a taste of what I could expect... a taste I enjoyed, as it happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_ Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think that's the main point from this thread for me. I hate the Emperor's children. But for that reason, I don't find them boring. They have their identity, and its portrayed well enough for me to decide they are not for me. With the Raven Guard, and Death Guard now I think of it, nothing grabs me. It's not that I have a negative opinion on them, its that I have almost no opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Dam13n sums up my opinion. There are no boring Primarchs or Legions, only the occasional boring depiction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In all honesty, no Legion or Primarch is inherently boring. Each one reflects a different theme, be it a futuristic example of an ancient (or relatively modern in some cases) 'terran' civilisation, or an example of a certain type of warfare specialists. The Primarchs are the pinnacle of those examples, with their Legions being pulled along in their wake. So this shouldn't really be a discussion about whether or not a Legion is in itself boring, because it comes down to a combination of personal prejudice and opinions based around how the Legions (and their Primarchs) have been depicted by the fluff, which is inherently variable due to the quality (or lack thereof) in the writing of that fluff. I think a Legion can inherantly be boring. Like you say, they're based on distinct themes, so if someone finds the idea of siege warfare boring, they'll find the IW boring. If they're bored to tears by the Roman empire, they might find the UM boring. So the whole point of this thread is that it's asking 'what legion do you find boring'. That isn't neccesarily down to bad writing. People might just find the theme of the legion boring, no matter how well it's written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 There is for me only one boring army. And that's Death Guard. Which is ironic as I love them so much in 40k. Just they are literally jack of no trades, master of naff all. Poisoned chemical warfare, yawn. Paint scheme. Yawn. Primarch, yawn. They have cool rules, even Mortarian. But as a Legion. Naaaa. Second would be Wolves. As I don't think they are boring per se. But the way they are portrayed is boring. They are a serious case of 'get over yourself, you arrogant hypocritical emo's' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The Halcyon Warders. Ahahahaha. I kid. Seriously, I'm bored by the Fists, Children and Scars. Possibly the Ultras, too, but I liked Betrayer's battles against them, they've gone up a smidge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/#findComment-3960769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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