Fire Golem Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The Halcyon Warders. Ahahahaha. I kid. Seriously, I'm bored by the Fists, Children and Scars. Possibly the Ultras, too, but I liked Betrayer's battles against them, they've gone up a smidge. The Scars really? With how little we've seen? Dread to think how you'd feel if they had more coverage ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just in general, same in 40k ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 If I take only the stuff from Black Library I would say I find the Dark Angels the most boring so far with the Raven Guard pulling as a close second. I find the Dark Angels boring because they just seem like knights in space right now with nothing approaching the dark brooding edge they have in 40k. Ultimately the Lion has not been written very consistently by the different authors so it feels like he has multiple personality disorder or something. Hopefully they will develop more as Forge World gets a hold of them. Raven Guard have a nice edge in the FW material but are rather bland and boring (to me) in the Black Library. I fear that Sharrowkyn is becoming the Drizzt of 30k. I can already feel it happening! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For me? The Sons of Horus and Raven Guard. The RG, I really want to look. But their rules, minis, colour scheme, bland Primarch, okay-ish background just doesn't do a thing for me. And the SoH? Dull, dull, dull. Not very much character to them at all. Their cool green-ish scheme is the only appealing thing for me. My two favs! Craziness, I tell ya! I'm going way left and saying the II and the XI. Yup, the missing Legions. Just because it's been so hard for the books to work around them convincingly -- it's easy to tell that it's more of a creative space that Black Library can't touch rather than a real mystery that may one day/book be solved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Are you kidding? II and XI are almost limitless with possibilities. But I'm strongly of the opinion (mainly because ADB has said it over and over and OVER) that there is no story there. It's undefined rather than hidden. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Are you kidding? II and XI are almost limitless with possibilities. But I'm strongly of the opinion (mainly because ADB has said it over and over and OVER) that there is no story there. It's undefined rather than hidden. As I said, they come off in the books as annoying prickly spot that we know in the meta will never really be touched upon. A carrot forever and ever dangled. And that's gotten to be a boring schtick for me personally :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 That's fair enough. Get more bored of those that claim they 'know' happened due to those vague hints. I like the openness (although if I hadn't done an alternative universe legion I may have made a lost legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Yeah, I appreciate the lost legions. They've birthed a fantastic plog here that blows me away every time I visit it that is anything but boring. I just wish BL never touched on it, even if vaguely, and those Primarchs stuck to their vows never to speak, even if indirectly, about it. The irony here is probably that those vague hints I don't like might have propelled that plog I do like to start in the first place. But still Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think ADB had said they've been told not to put in those sort of hints anymore. Which I agree, is a good thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 As a self loathing Iron Warrior's guy, I'm finding Perturabo to be a pretty one dimensional and not very interesting. I didn't choose the legion because of him, but he just doesn't have a consistent personality or believable motivation for me. The legion itself has a lot of interesting grim dark tragedy though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Agree, the authors so far have really dropped the ball When it comes to perturabo and the fourth. My favourite character was golg, but he got killed off in the first story he was part off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The Dark a angels are probably the most boring at the moment tbh. Their writing is inconsistent and I've likely said this a million times, but our best showings were a cameo and a short story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 My pick is alpha legion, based on the way BL has portrayed them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3960951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 i like them all but i dislike aspects about them all as-well. The Lion - strong, charismatic natural leader- little naive, very arrogant tad self obsessed, Fulgrim - perfectionist, artisan ruthless tactician- Arrogant, indecisive delusional Pertuabo - Greatest engineering mind of the primarchs (without nectronite input) Resourceful eye for analytic detail - cold, brooding, stone heart Khan - Free spirited, resilient , direct personality - wild, tribal in mindset although being fluent in his preferred style of combat is very rigid in terms off adaptability. Russ - nordic barbarity, fearless in both mind and action, loyal enforcer - wreckless, headstrong, tunnel visioned Dorn - Tactical master, extremely resilient, confident in every aspect of command - naive, stubborn, egotistical Konrad- Righteous, persistent natural sense of 'justice' - moody, deluded self deprecating Sanguinius - Noble, honorable, loyal to all purposes- flawed, vengeful, absent minded Angron, Champion of combat, honorable, warrior spirit - Lacks self esteem, hollow, abit up himself Rob - Diplomat, Champion of authority, visionary - stubborn, doesnt take criticism well, Mortarion - Resourceful, spartan minimalist nature, warlike - Self loathing, brooding, follower not a leader. Magnus, Intelligent, charitable nature, self sacrificing - delusional, misplaced sense of purpose, arrogant. Horus Lupercal - Leader, Natural commander in all aspects, charismatic - jealous, petty lack of self confidence. Lorgar - 'Faithful, supporting and committed to a virtuous cause - child like impetuous ambition, scornful. Vulkan - Nurturing, most 'human' empathetic - Brawler not warrior, tactically limited, empathetic to all but himself. Corax - Tactical, open minded, persistent - predictable, malleable, distanced from even himself Alpa/Omegon Strategic, analytically minded , Functional mindset that appreciates the nature of challenges - Indecisive. Ferrus Manus - Loyal - direct - Confident in his approach - Fractious nature, lacks the ability to reflect upon his own actions. Best i can think off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The Alpha Legion for me. Boring, unstoppable, ninja-pirate-wizard-unicorns of special awesomeness. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Well said, The_son_of_Dorn. As for me, Alpharius and Omegon are most hated because of how poorly defined their motivations are. As detailed in their 1d4chan article, the idea that one can help the Imperium and the Emperor, by betraying the Imperium and the Emperor- to defend the Imperium from its enemies, by sabotaging the Imperium's war machine, at the very moment these enemies are attacking- just confuses readers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 In all honesty, no Legion or Primarch is inherently boring. Each one reflects a different theme, be it a futuristic example of an ancient (or relatively modern in some cases) 'terran' civilisation, or an example of a certain type of warfare specialists. The Primarchs are the pinnacle of those examples, with their Legions being pulled along in their wake. So this shouldn't really be a discussion about whether or not a Legion is in itself boring, because it comes down to a combination of personal prejudice and opinions based around how the Legions (and their Primarchs) have been depicted by the fluff, which is inherently variable due to the quality (or lack thereof) in the writing of that fluff. Personally, I don't think any of the Legions or Primarchs are boring. There are some that have fared poorly when it comes to the way they've been depicted, usually as the result of lacklustre writing on the part of the author(s), but that doesn't make the Primarch / Legion boring in themselves. Personally, I feel that the Raven Guard and Dark Angels have been treated relatively poorly by the novels they've received thus far. I would like to see what someone like ADB would make of a full Raven Guard novel, as his style of writing suits a story that focusses on a small number of individuals, which is how the Raven Guard would often operate, especially after Istvaan. I would also like to see what Dan Abnett would make of the Dark Angels in a book that really focussed on them above all. Their presence in Unremembered Empire being a taste of what I could expect... a taste I enjoyed, as it happens. Couldn't agree more when I first read the topic my first thought was the Ravens but that is literally because of the abomonation, in my opinion, that is Deliverance Lost. Again with the Dark Angels they're only good showings to my mind have been the short stories where the Lion is fighting Curze. Personally if I had to pick one legion I just roll my eyes whenever they show up is the Alpha Legion. I have been through this a couple of times on this site and no disrespect to their fans but I just don't find them interesting. Also, by their nature they don't really have many characters. People saying the Ultramarines are boring I would agree to an extent but Thiel and Aquila as characters. The Imperial Fists haven't had the most interesting portrayals but Sigismund and Pollox are great characters. The list goes on Khârn, Latara Sarrin, Corswain, Cypher, Sevatar... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Honestly the Imperial Fists are very boring to me. As a legion they seem to have very little character. Oddly enough, the reason I'm now painting Imperial Fists is Alexis Polux, who is probably my favorite Heresy character so far. But that's because he, and his story around the Battle of Phall, are so fascinating that I can't resist. That being said, I can't see myself building any IF force that isn't for Phall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Thats the issue though, all legions are portrayed as completing their duties in nothing less that a professional capacity regardless of the situation they are deployed in, it's more the individual characters that add the real taste that helps to define their respective legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Got to say salamanders just dont do it for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 i like them all but i dislike aspects about them all as-well. I don't, necessarily, dispute with some of what you put down. Only thing is, I don't see these aspects as things to dislike or be bored over. They're just examples of a relatively well-rounded character. Everyone has their flaws, and in this setting a lot of the point is that there are more damning features than redeeming ones. I like Perturabo because of his promise, his ingenuity, his ruthless drive and his stubbornness, tunnel-vision, self-obsessive nature. He's a walking contradiction. Finds the self to be worthless in the face of the whole when it comes to the Legion, and yet fails to see the whole beyond his own self when it comes to the Imperium. I don't see this as a negative thing, this is why I like him. It's like how I always say that I'm a fan of every Legion, but identify most as a Loyalist. This doesn't mean I don't like the Traitors in spite of my own words, or even that I like the Loyalists more. I love all of them, and it really is, more or less, equal. Even if I do see Loyalists as heroes and Traitors as villains, which is just as an example in this setting of grey shades, heroes are worthless without good villains. I'm a Loyalist, but Loyalists are worthless without the Traitors, and so I want the Traitors to be just as well developed and interesting as the Loyalists, and I'm not disappointed with what we currently have as a whole, aside from those outlying portrayals by the likes of McNeil and Thorpe. As an aside, though, I wouldn't list Guilliman's inability to take criticism as a fault, considering the biggest thing about him in the setting, the Codex Astartes and the capabilities of his Legion as codified in it, is largely due to his ability to take criticism extremely well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For me I'd have to say Dark Angels, they feel like a half measure of a bunch of different legions. They're shady, but not as shady as the alpha legion. They're knightly, but not as committed to it as Imperial Fists and their MAXIMUM TEMPLAR EVERYTHING. And their Primarch is a skilled blonde haired swordsman, but who has none of the personality and awesome angelic qualities of Sanguinius. I guess... they like plasma a little more than the others? Idk, they've always felt very forgettable and 'meh'. Plus they are what, one of 3 black-armored legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 For me I'd have to say Dark Angels, they feel like a half measure of a bunch of different legions. They're shady, but not as shady as the alpha legion. They're knightly, but not as committed to it as Imperial Fists and their MAXIMUM TEMPLAR EVERYTHING. And their Primarch is a skilled blonde haired swordsman, but who has none of the personality and awesome angelic qualities of Sanguinius. I guess... they like plasma a little more than the others? Idk, they've always felt very forgettable and 'meh'. Plus they are what, one of 3 black-armored legions? Huh maybe you've just figured out for me why I find them so boring... I am thinking and hoping that that will change when FW write them. They've done a good job so far with other legions I found boring, giving them their own character and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Yeah I'm willing to bet FW will make them awesome. I've loved the expansion in backstory and fluff they've done so far with each legion. A lot of the legions we think are cool now, were really 2-dimensional before the 30k treatment was given to them. I mean look at Legions like the World Eaters or Night Lords, before FW they were just mustache-twirling eternal badguys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 The most boring.... II & XI Legions.... maybe :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303900-the-most-boring-primarchlegion/page/2/#findComment-3961113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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