Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 After a long and careful deliberation, and even temptation to once again join the greater good, I have decided to go for a Astra Militarum army. (that can be easily reinforced with my Knights Exemplar Space marine Chapter). I wish to bring judgement and heavy artillery barrages to the enemies of the Imperium, and my local area is crawling of worthy xenos and heretics. I already have a Commissar, a squad of Tempestus and a Taurox prime, and instead of going for a pure Tempestus army, which will lack heavy support, I will use them as elites instead. Since my Birthday is rapidly approaching, I will buy a Cadian Defense force! Tempted to go Catachan but, those models :/ Now what would be a good starting 500 points list? I will make an army composed of veterans mainly, and will use the Tempestus as elite probably deep striking with meltas. Any help will be apreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Welcome to the Guard! There are a lot of new recruits, myself included, reporting for muster! Glory to the Emperor! Since you're going for a veteran formation here is a suggested starting point. CCS - Chimera, melta-bomb on commander 2 x Vet squads, 2 melta-guns, chimera 5 Militarum Tempestus - melta-gun 500 points That gives you the mandatory troop and HQ and a good base for expansion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Welcome to the fold, Sete! I would offer you refreshments and a party but this is the Guard. You'll be lucky to live fifteen hours let alone time for recaf and ration packs! The Cadian Defence Force is a great buy, in my opinion. You get a little of everything. Happy early birthday, as well . Wulfgar, I might be wrong but to include Scions don't you also have to take a Tempestus Command Squad? I'm talking about from the AM Codex, not the MT Codex. Again, welcome to the Imperial Guard. I'm sure the Lord Commissar will be around shortly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Yes, welcome to the Astra Mil... I mean Imperial Guard. The Defense box is a nice addition for what you already have. Unfortunately, the Commissariat requires photos of your force at the earliest opportunity to prove your commitment to The Emperor and the Imperium. Do not dissapoint Guardsman. The Emperor expects! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I have a Tempestus command squad and a MT codex. Will get the AM one next month. Unfortunately, my main enemy will be Tau, and he has a nasty habit of fiting a riptide even in 500 points list so I need a bit of firepower. Are bunkers worth it with a icarus lascannon? Can also shoot down some deepstriking Crisis Suits maybe. I was thinking a plasma gun each squad, command and veterans, one veteran with lascannon heavy team and the other more mobile with a chimera. Also command squad on a bunker with icarus lascannon. Photos will be added shortly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Astra Militarum (496pts)+ HQ + (89pts)* Company Command SquadCarapace Armour* Company CommanderBolter, Carapace Armour Refractor Field, Warlord* 3x Veteran w/ Lasgun3x Frag Grenades, 3x Lasgun* Veteran w/ Plasma GunFrag Grenades, Plasma Gun+ Elites + (80pts)* Militarum Tempestus Platoon* Militarum Tempestus Scions* TempestorBolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades* 3x Tempestus Scion3x Carapace Armour, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Hot-shot Lasgun, 3x Krak Grenades* Tempestus Scion w/ MeltagunCarapace Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Meltagun+ Troops + (237pts)* VeteransFlak Armour for Squad* ChimeraHeavy Bolter, 2x Lasgun Arrays, Multi-laser, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers* Veteran SergeantBolter , Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades* 8x Veteran w/ Lasgun8x Frag Grenades, 8x Lasgun* Veteran w/ Plasma GunFrag Grenades, Plasma Gun* VeteransFlak Armour for Squad* Veteran Lascannon Team2x Frag Grenades T, Lascannon, Lasgun* Veteran SergeantBolter (1pts), Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades* 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun6x Frag Grenades, 6x Lasgun* Veteran w/ Plasma GunFrag Grenades, Plasma GunFortifications and Stronghold Assault+ Fortification +* Imperial BunkerGun Emplacement with Icarus Lascannon I also have an inquisitor in terminator armour, and 3 tac Squads, a rhino and a captain for SM allies. This is the colour scheme i intend to use for the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Why does the Commissariat need to be the buzz kills.... I mean I love the Commissariat and all it does for morale. Welcome to the Guard and happy birthday. As the local tread head let me be the first to say, 'Don't forget the tanks!' There's a lot a Leman Russ Punisher or Demolisher can say that an blob of squishies cannot. Guard is all about Combined Arms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I could use a leman russ instead of the bunker. Still working on the lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 That's a good looking force. My recommendation was just based on an all comers approach. If your meta has a particular threat then by all means you must account for that. I think you have a good base for 500 points. @Mehman - a MT command squad is not required. The codex states that you must include 1-3 squads and may include a command squad. Pg 99 Codex: AM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Just one question, how does the bunker work? up to 8 models can shot, thats cool, but for example if a tau fire warrior group shoots back, whats the deal? Or only weapos that can harm AV 14 will do damage to it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 @Mehman - a MT command squad is not required. The codex states that you must include 1-3 squads and may include a command squad. Pg 99 Codex: AM Good to know Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Shadow Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Are Veterans made from the normal infantry models? If so do they have to be distinguishable in a particular way to normal infantry? Sorry if its a silly question but I haven't worked with Guard yet and like Sete I'm thinking of starting a Guard force Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Well im making mine out of the normal infantry stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Nope, normal models can be used as vets however it looks way cooler if you have some nicely kitbashed vets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 You can make Veterans from any Imperial Guard model, be it GW or Forge World. Maybe even throw-in some Warhammer Fantasy Battle bits for some flair. Painting can really divide the troops, too. Look at Kierdale's thread for some inspiration. Remember: there are no silly questions- only silly people asking questions ! EDIT: Added link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Shadow Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Thank you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Ah awesome gonna have a look aswell. already bought the Defence force and a bunker. Got my 500 points SM for backup in bigger games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxichobbit Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Are Veterans made from the normal infantry models? If so do they have to be distinguishable in a particular way to normal infantry? Sorry if its a silly question but I haven't worked with Guard yet and like Sete I'm thinking of starting a Guard force Strictly speaking, using normal infantry is fine. GW doesn't make specific models for Veterans so there is no commitment needed to using anything but basic infantry. However, most opponents would be grateful if you did something to differentiate the Veteran squads from the normal infantry, especially in an infantry heavy army. Otherwise they can't tell what's shooting at them and what they're shooting at and have to take your word for it (which unscrupulous Guard players take advantage of). There are lots of ways of distinguishing your Veterans. Easiest to do would be with the colour scheme, doing something like adding coloured stripes to Veteran's helmets or shoulder pads would be enough (just don't use white, as that's widely recognised as the colour for Conscripts). If you just wanted to stick to painting but go a bit further you could give your Veterans unique squad markings. There's kit-bashing and conversion options as well, everything ranging from a simple head swap (giving them all Scion beret heads for example) to weapon swaps (shotguns as only Veterans can use them, or a unique looking las/autogun from a 3rd party manufacturer), adding way more kit to the models (extra pouches, boot knives, backpacks etc), mixing kits (Catachan parts on Cadians for example) right the way up to complicated conversions involving all of the above plus sculpting extra armour plates, changing poses, adding stuff like eye patches, bionics and scars. Your imagination is the only limit and as long as you and your opponents are having fun you can do as little or as much as you like to differentiate those Vets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 It can be something as simple as a different coloured pauldron or just use a skull decal to differentiate them as vets. Or go full hog and get scions or Kasrkin ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Or like some of us really crazy types. Order some kilted bastards from Victoria Miniatures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgar hammerfist Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I use normal infantry models for my vets but I paint them differently. I'm patterning my army very loosely on WWII German uniform concepts. Vets are in camo smocks, line infantry wear khaki and green, armor crews wear black and artillery crews will be in gray. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Im basing my tempestus steel legion drab, then amour will be caliban green. Since they will be all veterans... I probably wont add anything. And got my list ready. With a god damn bunker with a void shield. Want to see those filthy blue xenos taking that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3965941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Another soul saved from the blue space monkeys! Welcome to the original and best shooty army :tu: I like your colour scheme and you can't go wrong with a nice infantry heavy list - it's a true test of mettle too as it can be quite a few models ;) I look forward to seeing your army come together :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3966032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Order is trough just waiting on them. They seem fairly simple to assemble and paint. While I wait will work on the Tempestus squad. I just noticed that the cadians shock troops dont bring plasma, just GL, flamers as specials. I will use GL instead of plasma. Not the best thing ever but will have to do. Now I have some doubts. The vox casters? Are they worth it? How should I use them? Im planning on having the command squad inside the bunker with the lascannon squad on top, they should be protected by the void shield. And the chimera will push foward and the tempestus will deep strike behind enemy lines. Im giving all the army 4+ Save aswell. I still have some points that I could use, maybe a psyker for divination? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3966063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarZac Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 My answer to Tau cheese is Leman Russ spam. "Oh you brought 5 shield drones? Pask in his punisher says DENIED!!!!!" "Oh you brought a longsword (or whatever they call their plasma tank) My Vanquisher sees you across the table and says auf wiedersehen." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/304112-honest-to-the-god-emperor-courage-brimlock-7th-warthogs/#findComment-3966083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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