JBugman Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Gentlemen I'm having trouble getting back into WH40k and the Imperial Guard and would like your opinion of my 1500 point list: Command Platoon w/LasCannon, Grenade launcher & Chimera Armoured Fist/Veterans w/Chimera & 3 Meltaguns Infantry Platoon Command Squad w/AutoCannon & Grenade Launcher Infantry Squad w/Missile Launcher (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon Heavy Weapons Squad w/LasCannons Infantry Platoon Command Squad w/AutoCannon & Grenade Launcher Infantry Squad w/Missile Launcher (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon Leman Russ BT w/Heavy Bolters Demolisher BT w/LasCannon and Plasma Cannons Hellhound Tank w/Heavy Bolter This is a bit over points but I'm looking for any glaring problems. The first thing I think about is the whether or not the Combined Squads should be larger? Any suggestions would be helpful and thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Both your Leman Russ are ordinance weapons which means your sponsons and hull mounted weapons will be snap shooting. Maybe look at a Vanquisher or Eradicator? What will you be facing? I'm not seeing any anti-air as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I think the first platoon is enough. I would replace the second platoon with another Vet unit in Chimera. I would also never put additional weapons on Demolisher and BT since those are ordnance tanks and the other weapons would need to snap fire. If you want tanks with extra weapons, I would look at the other ones and equip them for one job. Also, maybe Grenadier Doctrine on Vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Welcome to the Imperial Guard, the commissar will probably be around momentarily to move this to the army list section. Command Platoon w/LasCannon, Grenade launcher & Chimera Avoid mix and matching weapons with cross purposes. Go with one or the other. Armoured Fist/Veterans w/Chimera & 3 Meltaguns A solid unit that should serve you well Infantry Platoon Command Squad w/AutoCannon & Grenade Launcher Infantry Squad w/Missile Launcher (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon If these are blobing together, consider a commissar for one squad and, maybe, vox for on and the command. Heavy Weapons Squad w/LasCannons I am not a fan because of how soft they are but others love them. Infantry Platoon Command Squad w/AutoCannon & Grenade Launcher Infantry Squad w/Missile Launcher (Combined with Squad below) Infantry Squad w/AutoCannon Again, weapons with cross purposes. Consider making one the other. Flak missiles might not be a bad idea since you have only a bit on AA. Leman Russ BT w/Heavy Bolters Ditch the sponsons, you'll be snap firing them most of the time. Demolisher BT w/LasCannon and Plasma Cannons I love that old model but those options are categorically a waste of points. Dip it in Simple Green for a month and don't reattach the sponsons. Just a heavy bolter on the front. Hellhound Tank w/Heavy Bolter A great support vehicles. Move it with your veterans. Consider any of the other hull weapons. This is a bit over points but I'm looking for any glaring problems. The first thing I think about is the whether or not the Combined Squads should be larger? The size of your combined squads is fine, consider not even combining in some situations. Any suggestions would be helpful and thanks in advance! I have only one other suggestion, get an Aegis Defense Line. It will greatly help the survivability of your infantry. If you get the number of models required, consider a conscript blob with a priest attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBugman Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Thanks for the input, folks. Sorry that I wasn't aware of the forum section for list only. And none of my vehicles are magnetized so I'll try that when/if I make more. And I'll consider the Hydra/Anti-AA tank since almost everyone I've played has a flyer. /unhappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Thanks for the input, folks. Sorry that I wasn't aware of the forum section for list only. And none of my vehicles are magnetized so I'll try that when/if I make more. And I'll consider the Hydra/Anti-AA tank since almost everyone I've played has a flyer. /unhappy Quad gun with Aegis Defense Line. It's the American Express card of IG. Never leave home without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Thanks for the input, folks. Sorry that I wasn't aware of the forum section for list only. And none of my vehicles are magnetized so I'll try that when/if I make more. And I'll consider the Hydra/Anti-AA tank since almost everyone I've played has a flyer. /unhappy Quad gun with Aegis Defense Line. It's the American Express card of IG. Never leave home without it. ROFL! I love the snappy quote...but since I follow "death before dismount," I have no use for the ADL itself...I'd rather have two vengeance weapon batteries with quad icarus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Thanks for the input, folks. Sorry that I wasn't aware of the forum section for list only. And none of my vehicles are magnetized so I'll try that when/if I make more. And I'll consider the Hydra/Anti-AA tank since almost everyone I've played has a flyer. /unhappy Quad gun with Aegis Defense Line. It's the American Express card of IG. Never leave home without it. ROFL! I love the snappy quote...but since I follow "death before dismount," I have no use for the ADL itself...I'd rather have two vengeance weapon batteries with quad icarus. Now March, you better than that. Trying to call this old Treadhead out like that. I still use my ADL. Just a little something for my arty to sit behind. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarZac Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Thanks for the input, folks. Sorry that I wasn't aware of the forum section for list only. And none of my vehicles are magnetized so I'll try that when/if I make more. And I'll consider the Hydra/Anti-AA tank since almost everyone I've played has a flyer. /unhappy Quad gun with Aegis Defense Line. It's the American Express card of IG. Never leave home without it. ROFL! I love the snappy quote...but since I follow "death before dismount," I have no use for the ADL itself...I'd rather have two vengeance weapon batteries with quad icarus. Now March, you better than that. Trying to call this old Treadhead out like that. I still use my ADL. Just a little something for my arty to sit behind. LOL agreed. I would park my madusa in some terrain with some cammo nets and an ADL and watch the rage when I make all my 4+ cover saves LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well...since the obscuring element has to cover 25% of the vehicle from the firer's perspective, pretty much nothing taller than infantry is going to be bothered by an ADL in front of your vehicle...or else I'd be doing the same thing! ground vehicles like enemy IG tanks would be arguable, but there's no doubt that skimmers, monstrous creatures, fliers, walkers, actually most things that are taller than a man, can see over the ADL just fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well...since the obscuring element has to cover 25% of the vehicle from the firer's perspective, pretty much nothing taller than infantry is going to be bothered by an ADL in front of your vehicle...or else I'd be doing the same thing! ground vehicles like enemy IG tanks would be arguable, but there's no doubt that skimmers, monstrous creatures, fliers, walkers, actually most things that are taller than a man, can see over the ADL just fine! But the rules for ADL say that it adds a +1 to cover saves. Which, at least, for the people I play with seems to supercede the 25% obscured rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBugman Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 What about mobility for reaching those Tactical Objectives? The Command Chimera just functions as additional firepower for the Command Squad which leaves the Veterans and Hellhound and an Infantry Blob or two. I had some Sentinels, but they were dumped to get to 1500 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Veterans have Objective Secured. I normally take 2 Chimeras. One for my CCS and the other has my vets. I've also used the Deep Strike option on my Scions for getting those out of reach objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBugman Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 @Chefzilla: I don't see where Objective Secured is referenced, can you point out where it is? And is it worthwhile to drive the Company Command Squad go objective hunting or do I just send the Chimera (still a bit fuzzy on the rules, sorry)? And after rereading the codex I realized that I can use the one Scion/Stormtrooper squad I have instead of scrambling to buy more models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 If you're taking a Combined Arms Detachment (new term for following the FOC) then your infantry has Objective Secured. I don't have my rulebook handy- any book actually- so I can't put a page number on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefzilla Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'm trying to remember where it is as well but any troop choice has Objective Secured. Meaning that if you take Armored Battlegroup, which makes you tanks a troop choice, those tanks have objective secured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Objective Secured is referenced on pp. 567 and 569 of the iBooks version of the main rulebook. Under the heading "Command Benefits" on both. Now on iBooks you can click on a popout link that gives you the rules for what "Objective Secured" does, I'm not sure where in the rulebook proper those rules can be found. It's in the Chapter "Preparing for Battle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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