[HH1.0] The Sons of Barbarus : A Death Guard Tactica Thread

[Hesh Kadesh]

If you can switch up the Autocannon, Graviton and Kheres, or Dual Volkite. The Volkite is a longer range weapon, good on a footslog army. It lacks ability to kill tanks though outside of Rhino's, and even that is pushing it with only 4 TL S6 shot. The Kheres's 6 S6 Rends means that it's slightly more utilitarian, with around 1 Rend per shooting phase on a rough average. Graviton provides Difficult and Dangerous Terrain blobs for enemy infantry and haywire to help take on light vehicles.

 

I'd normally say dual grav claw, but that's to go in a pod. Dual Plasma gives you a longer ranged one and can hunt footslogging terminators and light vehicles. Using them as a wall for your infantry if you don't have the heavy support choices for Predator Walls is another option.

 

Alternatively, you do have a Shred Heavy Flamer if you need, but it's lack of AP means that a legion unit is going to shrug it off regardless.

[Charlo]

Hmm... Cool thanks!

 

Auto cannon just seems awful compared to anything else (bar heavy bolters) so I'm going to lose that for sure.

 

Plasma built into chain Fists could be nice to advance with, and stops him being bogged down. I wouldn't go double Kheres as, while awesome, a Deredeo just seems better at that point.

[1ncarnadine]

So the word is that in the updated Isstvan Legions red book Unwieldy is being removed on Power Scythes in exchange for a rule that makes them -1 initiative.

 

WHAT NOW ENEMY 1-WOUND POWER FIST TERMINATORS

 

Hopefully this one sticks, it would make Power Scythes a way cooler option to throw onto characters as well :D

[Hesh Kadesh]

Would be useful. Still rather have a sweep attack that didn't require a unit to assault something where it is outnumbered 3:1

 

That said, Mortarion at i4 quickly ramps up his ability somewhat. If only his sweep didn't require him to be in base contact with 6-7 enemies.

 

If it gets autohit like the Cerastus Castigator.

 

It isn't a bad item now, but its nowhere near a best in slot. A Jetbike Praetor maybe, which has a chance. Maybe.

 

That said, Typhon (the dude) is much better.

[DuskRaider]

Deathshroud will certain come into their own, and it may not even be a bad option with a Praetor, especially since you can offset the -1 Initiative if you also give him a Charnabal Saber. I'm hoping Silence is also affected, but I don't have my hopes up.

[1ncarnadine]

We can hope. I still wouldn't give a Praetor a Power Scythe unless they also added in something like Hesh's Sweep Attack auto-hit to everything in b2b rule modification, which I really doubt they'll do. It would be cool though.

 

However, Power Scythes with just -1I would make great Consul weapons. Say our new RoW doesn't give us rad grenade access (likely), but you still have all those units that combo'd well with rad grenades from running The Reaping? Boom, Forge Lord + Power Scythe + Rad Grenades. And a jump pack or bike or whatever for wherever he's going to fit now.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Deathshroud will certain come into their own, and it may not even be a bad option with a Praetor, especially since you can offset the -1 Initiative if you also give him a Charnabal Saber. I'm hoping Silence is also affected, but I don't have my hopes up.

You don't get the +1 Initiative unless you're actually using the Sabre though.

Edited January 3, 2016 by Hesh Kadesh

[DuskRaider]

never mind, then.

[Charlo]

Nice rumour, hope it pans out. In reality scythes are just axe side-grades priced as a fist.

 

I think death shroud will become stronger, but still suffer against powerfists. Agree that it will become the defacto weapon on consuls or models with I5. Paragon blade is obviously better, but it should be, plus you can still model that as a scythe :)

 

They'd be similar to butchers now.

[Vaz]

Thought's on the change's to Deathshroud. Now that Tartaros Terminator's can sweep as per Jan 2016 FAQ.

 

If the changes to Scythes (-1 I) also comes through, I feel this would really increase the power of this unit. Would love to hear opinions!

[Memento Of Prospero]

-1 initiative helps against power fists and axes only for standard Deathshroud. But for characters without access to a Paragon Blade, it makes an interesting choice to lose one attack to get AP 2 at I4.

[1ncarnadine]

Thought's on the change's to Deathshroud. Now that Tartaros Terminator's can sweep as per Jan 2016 FAQ.

 

If the changes to Scythes (-1 I) also comes through, I feel this would really increase the power of this unit. Would love to hear opinions!

 

I've actually now seen the argument that the Deathshroud can't sweep, because ICL lists them as having "Terminator Armour" instead of specifically calling out "Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour." But the models are pretty clearly in Tartaros armour soooo.... yeah, it's another one of those things.

[Marshal Loss]

With that argument, Phoenix Terminators can't sweep either. I suppose RAW you could argue that but doesn't that mean that there would be no way to actually take Tartaros Terminator armour in any unit at all, as it is never listed in a unit entry? So yeah, they have Tartaros until FW says otherwise IMO.

[1ncarnadine]

With that argument, Phoenix Terminators can't sweep either. I suppose RAW you could argue that but doesn't that mean that there would be no way to actually take Tartaros Terminator armour in any unit at all, as it is never listed in a unit entry? So yeah, they have Tartaros until FW says otherwise IMO.

 

Huh, you know I didn't even think about that. I agree though, for now it's Tartaros. We'll definitely see them defined in an updated red book.

 

I do wonder if Tartaros will become an upgrade you have to pay for, rather than a free swap like Cataphractii. It's a straight upgrade to regular Terminator Armour. Or will they make the Legion Terminator Squad have Tartaros as default? No Indomitus then? Will they release a Legion Indomitus set or something like the MkV-style Terminator suit that Tyberos (Carcharadons character) wears? That would be pretty rad, and they are working on a Legion MkV set afaik.

 

edit: also hey everyone I'm LetsYouDown and I'm an idiot. Took a look back at the new FAQ and found this line:

 

If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army. 

 

We all good.

Edited January 11, 2016 by LetsYouDown

[Charlo]

Next red book or something will probably say if all the legion terms are in Tartaros or not if it's vague... Hopefully!

 

Big fan of the -1I scythes and sweeping though, makes them good at killing 2+, as long as they don't have Fists to bypass the 2W.

[Slips]

Next red book or something will probably say if all the legion terms are in Tartaros or not if it's vague... Hopefully!

 

Big fan of the -1I scythes and sweeping though, makes them good at killing 2+, as long as they don't have Fists to bypass the 2W.

Not sure if you saw his edit but:

 

 

If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army. 

 

[Charlo]

That's good then! Clears it up.

[Hesh Kadesh]

The FAQ explicitly lets you choose when it doesn't list what they're equipped with.

 

Edit; Probably shouldn't take 3 hours to reply next time. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by Hesh Kadesh

[Slips]

The FAQ explicitly lets you choose when it doesn't list what they're equipped with.

 

Edit; Probably shouldn't take 3 hours to reply next time. 

Unless its as the Above states and the model physically represent them.

 

If a unit has the option of taking Terminator armour but does not specify a particular pattern, such as the Legion Terminator Squad entry, its pattern is that represented on the physical models used, and only a single type of Terminator armour may be chosen for the unit when included in your army. 

 

Such as Deathshroud and Phoenix Terminators who have specific Kits and Styling to them. No one in their right mind would let another finagle that they can equip their Phoenix Guard or Deathshroud in Cataphractii.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Hesh Kadesh]

While I agree in basis, it's basically just saying WYSIWYG provided the unit has the same across its members in all units. If you have 15 Cataphractii Converted and equipped with Power Spears, well, they should have Cataphractii.

 

Of course, this is pending Book VI not giving them back the Tartaros they lost in the transition from Book II to Red Books anyway, but this is FW ;)

[Frostmourne]

Sorry guys to interject but I have a mate who has just invested quite a lot into Death Guard and he has a question.

 

Is there anyway for Deatbshroud to get a Spartan? Without using a HS slot?

[Hesh Kadesh]

No, oddly enough.

[Charlo]

Such a big Shame. Slightly alleviated by running the reaping and take Heavy Support squads as troops but not many slots for tanks still.

[Frostmourne]

No, my friend is struggling. And as a result is probably not taking one.

 

Which is a shame because mine is being delivered any day haha.

[Hesh Kadesh]

We might be abke to try and get his build right or shuffle things until he can.

 

And is he seriously wanting to take 6-9Deathshroud, AND 3 heavy support? Can he not take an allied detachment (painted the same if he wishes), to represent the 3rd HS choice?