Ideas for a Dreadwing Captain

[depthcharge12]

I won't apologize for the ramble, but here it is.

 

So for those of you who have kept in the know about the Dark Angels Legion, there are 6 Wings subsumed within it, each said to be completely independent and self sufficient due to the nature of the 1st. However, they seem to be specialized and I feel that different parts of each wing are subsumed into each of the different Orders (Companies).

 

I've been on a character modeling binge as of late, though most of you know that I'm still painting them and doing last minute details before finalizing them as "Special characters". I wanted to make a somewhat more vanilla Captain, but who leads one of the wings.

 

Here's the model I'm planning on basing my model off of:

 

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/417cd67fa3b3fc741733fe70e873dfe2_zpsdgvienqe.jpg

 

 

Hector Rex is about the size of a terminator I believe and has enough bling bling on him to make him look to be in the upper echelons of the Legion. Some of his armor looks pretty esoteric and has a bunch of imagery on it befitting one of the 1st Legion.

 

My plan:

 

I want to make a Dreadwing Captain because of the awesome sounding name, the current fluff, and my background of the "Void Claws" chapter I'm doing.

 

The Dreadwing, using what Abnett alluded to in UE, are the future Star Phantoms. They have the Skull in Hourglass insignia and are fleet born. Tying them into my fluff is what will make it so tragic. The Void Claws are the later Astral Claws who will wind up fighting their lineage cousins at Badab.

 

The Star Phantoms are said to be a space fleet with a tendency for overbearing firepower and disregard for collateral damage. My intention is to use them as Alan Bligh hinted towards, they have a really dark side that involves massacres and brutal handiwork. But I seek to use this for the Madrigal campaign and fluff...more on that later ;)

 

Here's the bare model:

 

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/db64a507bd331b2a6c3ca4cad849f26f_zpsixhn9r4i.jpg

 

Modeling:

 

+ Change the =][= into the stylized 1 of the first legion

 

+ Possibly switch out the shield for the Aquila shield from the siege breaker model (provided by Kurama)

 

+ Add more Dark Angels flair, i.e. more swords, gothic features, wings, robe, etc.

 

+ Paint black and gold as per the Dark Angels, but maybe with more white involved

 

+ Skull-in-Hourglass symbol

 

 

Here's one that another person did for reference of what the armor will start to look like:

 

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/8772e063ed77025fba9e92b79bae116f_zpsfhfbpz1h.jpg

 

 

What are your thoughts on this? What should I include on the model?

[Marshal Rohr]

Be careful about going full steam on the Dreadwing. There are only six wings, and we may not know if they are entirely organized into different types of units (RW only FA, DW only Terminators, etc). They may be more similar to Salamander Realms than their 40K Company counterparts. Im always suspicious of things like this, especially given that the DA are described as having Chapters too. 

[depthcharge12]

Be careful about going full steam on the Dreadwing. There are only six wings, and we may not know if they are entirely organized into different types of units (RW only FA, DW only Terminators, etc). They may be more similar to Salamander Realms than their 40K Company counterparts. Im always suspicious of things like this, especially given that the DA are described as having Chapters too.

 

The problem was too many writers, but the ideas for the wings came from Alan Bligh himself. Don't know if the wings are inclusive or what. I'm kinda just path finding at the moment since I'm not expecting anything on the legion for at least a year, if not more, judging by reports.

[Leif Bearclaw]

I dunno, the Dreadwing=Star Phantoms seem spurious at best. Firstly, my understanding of the 6 Wings in the I Legion is that they're specialised formations. As such it doesn't seem likely that the wings would form Chapters whole hog when the Legions were broken, rather elements of each wing (assuming all 6 survive the Heresy and Caliban intact) would be split between all Chapters of The Unforgiven. Or, why did some wings survive as concepts within Chapters (as all Unforgiven have Deathwing and Ravenwing), while other were supposedly made into independent Chapters whole hog? It just doesn't add up to me.

Then we have the canon discrepancies. To be brutally honest, I'd be inclined to trust the FW Badab books over a BL novella, so it seems most likely that the Star Phantoms from Badab cannot be Dreadwing, as they were founded in M38. Then, if you're looking for similarities between the 30k Dreadwing and 40k Star Phantoms, it's worth remembering that the Phantoms only became fleet based following the loss of Haakoneth in m40, so if the thought process involved both the Dreadwing and Phantoms being fleet based, that doesn't add up and the Phantoms have had a homeworld for most of their operational history.

Then there's the the lack of evidence for either the Astral Claws or Star Phantoms to be DA successors, neither are included in the whole Unforgiven, Inner Circle 'we never really disbanded the Legion' thing. Granted, this doesn't preclude them from being DA successors thanks to Terra's control of the gene-seed stockpiles, but imo it does preclude them from being 30k successors, as then they'd include Legion veterans, and hence it seems reasonable the normal Unforgiven organisational structure would be present.

Sorry to say, but you seem to be grasping at straws here, looking for links where there just aren't any. There's simply not enough evidence for, and plenty of evidence against.

Now don't get me wrong, the idea of turning Hector Rex into a DA Captain, that's got some legs, but it seems to me that you're trying too hard to link 30k and 40k together at all cost, which is especially premature seeing as FW haven't got to the DAs yet (and I know full well how infuriating the wait is ).

[depthcharge12]

Yeah I understand the connection is poor at best and I'm grasping at straws, but I'm still trying to make something of it :P

 

 

Off of the fluff for now, any suggestions for modding this conversion?

[ThatOneMarshal]

I like the idea if converting hector to an astartes. I would probalby try to remove all indications of inquistion including that shield. Or green stuff over it I suppose. Or try to make all of the I into 1 for first legion. I am unfamiliar with the dark angels of 30k so I can't really talk about the fluff. What's dread wingg all about?

[depthcharge12]

I like the idea if converting hector to an astartes. I would probalby try to remove all indications of inquistion including that shield. Or green stuff over it I suppose. Or try to make all of the I into 1 for first legion. I am unfamiliar with the dark angels of 30k so I can't really talk about the fluff. What's dread wingg all about?

Unfortunately the wings haven't been super clarified but I made a few assumptions based on what the Dark Angels disperse into over the next 10,000 years. The Dreadwing captain we've seen so far shares the same iconography as the star phantoms who were rumored to be Dark Angel successors, but who aren't considered as part of the Unforgiven as they don't have any Inner Circle Members (though the successor chapters that do are kinda lame in comparison).

 

The Star Phantoms are very drop pod/shock tactic/blast them to bits in nature. They are also somewhat obsessed with the honored dead and cause a lot of collateral damage wherever they go (ref. Badab war). Their chapter tactics Involve rerolls for deep striking and they get a once per game power where all of their weapons become twin linked due to a hail of fire they unleash.

 

But again, I'm jumping to conclusions with assuming the two will be related, but eh, it's better to ask forgiveness than permission ;)