Tech Priest Dominus

[PraetorDragoon]

Technically it's a different weapon from the Ruststalker one - "Dataspike" vs "Prehensile Dataspike" - so I'm not sure it's an error.

 

Ah, thanks for clarifying that. I thought it was the same.

[Nehekhare]

 

I think it says "when the model makes it attacks", so whenever you throw with your main weapon I guess... not quite sure though

 

Well, the problem is that the Dataspike also uses "when the model makes its attacks" so that is where my confusion came from...

 

 

haha, so as per RAW you attack twice each round with anzion's pseudogenetor - first when the Dominus "makes its close combat attacks" with the dataspike at I10, and then another time when strikes with his unwieldy Poweraxe at I1?

[PraetorDragoon]

haha, so as per RAW you attack twice each round with anzion's pseudogenetor - first when the Dominus "makes its close combat attacks" with the dataspike at I10, and then another time when strikes with his unwieldy Poweraxe at I1?

 

I don't have the Codex atm, so I don't know the exact wordings, but that might be a possibility.

[Scurvydog]

Well the relic says: make D6 attacks in addition to any other close combat attacks the model makes.

 

I guess it is not 100% bulletproof and there can be made a RAW case for being allowed to use it twice, but I highly doubt it is intended and is probably a poor way to make friends going that route.

[mmimzie]

 

 

I think it says "when the model makes it attacks", so whenever you throw with your main weapon I guess... not quite sure though

 

Well, the problem is that the Dataspike also uses "when the model makes its attacks" so that is where my confusion came from...

haha, so as per RAW you attack twice each round with anzion's pseudogenetor - first when the Dominus "makes its close combat attacks" with the dataspike at I10, and then another time when strikes with his unwieldy Poweraxe at I1?

Yeah not sure here because most special rules for melee weapons say "when a model makes attack with this weapon." Meaning you selected that weapon. The dataspike does not make this distinction. So you should always get an I10 attack if the model has a dataspike.

 

Yes the domi gets +1 attack for being equipped with the dataspike.

 

As for do you get more attack from the relic for each instance you attack. I don't know, but as of now I'm inclined to say no. Reason I say this is that the dataspike says "when a model with this weapon makes melee attacks" now this doesn't proc every time you make atrcks??? No it price once per combat. Since the relic has the same wording it also only profs once per combat. Other wise you could also argue the item spawn infilitly on itself. And this would be better stated as saying "kill all units in combat with you"

 

Thenlnin addition to your other close combat attacks simply stats that you dong loose your other attacks as a result of this relic.

 

So RAW are; I9 data smiths and tech priest make 1 additional dataspike attack.

Tech priest get +1 cc attack

Relic gives you d6 attacks at initiative.

 

Edit: interestung side note. Litany of electromancy does auto hits to each enemy unit in contact with you :). So if you multi charge or are multi charged each unit suffer attack per model in your unit. It's kind of nuts the number of auto hitting attack you get when you start looking at t3

[PraetorDragoon]

So RAW are; I9 data smiths and tech priest make 1 additional dataspike attack.

Tech priest get +1 cc attack

Relic gives you d6 attacks at initiative.

Edit: interestung side note. Litany of electromancy does auto hits to each enemy unit in contact with you . So if you multi charge or are multi charged each unit suffer attack per model in your unit. It's kind of nuts the number of auto hitting attack you get when you start looking at t3

That was kinda what I was thinking of. d6 attacks at initative with the Pseudogenetor Profile.

Interesting thing about the Litany. More elektro-priest uses!

[Marshal Ommadon]

Dataspike is one attack at I10, the Relic is D6 extra attacks at Initiative.  I don't see how this could be any other way.

[Nehekhare]

when do you make attacks?

[mmimzie]

when do you make attacks?

During the fight sub phase  which is in Intiative order.

[Targetlock]

exactly, so the relic would be at the characters normal initiative, his other gear would be at their initiative.

[Marshal Ommadon]

Dominus finds himself in melee:

 

I10 - Dominus gets to use his Dataspike

I1 - Dominus swings his Power Axe then gets an extra D6 attacks following the rules for the relic.  (if you have different color dice you can roll these together "fast dice")

 

This is cut and dry...

[MithrilForge]

Dominus finds himself in melee:

I10 - Dominus gets to use his Dataspike

I1 - Dominus swings his Power Axe then gets an extra D6 attacks following the rules for the relic. (if you have different color dice you can roll these together "fast dice")

This is cut and dry...

Yes! very correct...and anyone using said character against me that argued with me about it would receive my own Master Crafted Power Fist to their Cranium at Init-10

sometimes when people don't see logical /real world conclusions to things...it needs to be beaten into them...for their own good

Mithril

[mmimzie]

well it's always good to go with the rules as written. Logic can be quite doesn't usualy mean the same thing for everyone.

 

That being said ithink this relic is quite raw as being the I10 attack and then everything else at initiative.  

[Nehekhare]

sometimes when people don't see logical /real world conclusions to things...it needs to be beaten into them...for their own good

so you beat up yourself for ignoring dataspike attacks?

[DeStinyFiSh]

Dominus finds himself in melee:

 

I10 - Dominus gets to use his Dataspike

I1 - Dominus swings his Power Axe then gets an extra D6 attacks following the rules for the relic.  (if you have different color dice you can roll these together "fast dice")

 

This is cut and dry...

 

Can't you also use the Data Spike since it is a weapon to strike at Ini 3 ?

No plus to strengh then, but Haywire instead.

[Vash]

 

Dominus finds himself in melee:

 

I10 - Dominus gets to use his Dataspike

I1 - Dominus swings his Power Axe then gets an extra D6 attacks following the rules for the relic.  (if you have different color dice you can roll these together "fast dice")

 

This is cut and dry...

 

Can't you also use the Data Spike since it is a weapon to strike at Ini 3 ?

No plus to strengh then, but Haywire instead.

 

If you opt to not use the Power axe's abilities yes. 

But not at ini 10, ini3 and then finally ini1. 

 

The ini 10 attack is an extra attack, noted in its special rules so it can break the normal rules given. 

[MaulerUK]

 

 

The choice of sidearm shouldn't affect the number of attacks the Dominus gets, since the data spike version he's equipped with isn't a specialist weapon, unlike the one in the skittarii book.

 

I'll probably go with the Serpenta myself as it looks like he could shoot it at his target first and potentially reduce its cover save by 1 for his Eradication Ray.

 

 

See, now this is something that I think crops up a lot and needs a FAQ.  The BRB specifically states that all shooting done by a unit/model happens at the same time so technically the unit firing the phosphor weapon doesn't get the benefit of the -1 to cover.  All shots are fired at the same time so at the point of opening fire the target isn't affected by the Luminagen special rule.  "...until the end of the phase." implies that the effect is applied after shooting has been resolved.

 

(BRB, Shooting Phase, Selecting A Weapon section: "All of the models in the unit that are firing the selected weapon shoot at the same time, regardless of whether or not all of the dice are rolled together."

 

I expect that most Ad Mech players will argue against this though...lol.

 

EDIT: Removed odd double-quote.

[Vel'Cona]

I'd have to agree, it does seem like RAI is aiming for Luminagen to apply after the inflicting unit's shooting has ended.  RAW is relatively clear, too, but without specifics I find that there are too many arguments to be made in either direction.

[DeStinyFiSh]

 

 

The choice of sidearm shouldn't affect the number of attacks the Dominus gets, since the data spike version he's equipped with isn't a specialist weapon, unlike the one in the skittarii book.

 

I'll probably go with the Serpenta myself as it looks like he could shoot it at his target first and potentially reduce its cover save by 1 for his Eradication Ray.

 

 

See, now this is something that I think crops up a lot and needs a FAQ.  The BRB specifically states that all shooting done by a unit/model happens at the same time so technically the unit firing the phosphor weapon doesn't get the benefit of the -1 to cover.  All shots are fired at the same time so at the point of opening fire the target isn't affected by the Luminagen special rule.  "...until the end of the phase." implies that the effect is applied after shooting has been resolved.

 

(BRB, Shooting Phase, Selecting A Weapon section: "All of the models in the unit that are firing the selected weapon shoot at the same time, regardless of whether or not all of the dice are rolled together."

 

I expect that most Ad Mech players will argue against this though...lol.

 

EDIT: Removed odd double-quote.

 

 

 

My understanding is that all models with the "selected" weapon fire at the same time. So you say Serpenta first, then the heavy phosphor afterwards. Same unit, different weapons.

[MaulerUK]

Actually aye, I think you guys are right. This is what happens when you try to think stuff over after being up until 2am painting Dragoons & Electro-Priests and then getting up at 7am for work :'(

[Vel'Cona]

Haha feel that pain, I'm struggling through my Kataphron unit at the moment and trying not to get distracted by AW Early Access . . .

[Scurvydog]

Since we can all agree the dataspike works as a melee weapon with haywire, I guess it is safe to say that the 5th warlord trait giving "your warlords close combat attacks have the haywire special rule" is the most useless warlord trait ever... All characters in the cult codex have dataspikes, so the only way I can see this come into effect is with the AP on powerfists from smiths or axe from dominus, giving +1 dmg result if you roll a pen for haywire. That is just terrible.

[DeStinyFiSh]

The Tech Priest has only 1 Haywire attack when using his Power Axe in CC, so with this Warlord Trait his Power Axe attacks get Haywire as well... but still not worth it.

 

Also the +D6 attacks from the Relic would get Haywire as well.

 

But I agree, this is the worst WT you can roll. I still think eternal warrior is the best to keep him alive forever ;)

[Scurvydog]

The Tech Priest has only 1 Haywire attack when using his Power Axe in CC, so with this Warlord Trait his Power Axe attacks get Haywire as well... but still not worth it.

Also the +D6 attacks from the Relic would get Haywire as well.

But I agree, this is the worst WT you can roll. I still think eternal warrior is the best to keep him alive forever

In smaller cult forces I guess that would be the case, but in my last games of running a cohort + skitarii, the max canticle trait is absolutely bonkers and won me the game, dishing out 21 str4 I10 hits on 3 units of nobz charging at once, that is 63 hits instead of 21, which made all the difference.

I guess eternal warrior is the best in all situations, it is never bad, with rerolling fnp coming in second to it. In a huge cult army the 6th trait is the worst, but in a small force it becomes the best no contest, tier 3 canticles are immensely powerful.

[MithrilForge]

sometimes when people don't see logical /real world conclusions to things...it needs to be beaten into them...for their own good

so you beat up yourself for ignoring dataspike attacks?

Only if you were standing in front of me to take the hit, but i would opt to go for the power axe hits instead...logic

mithril