ChaosReigns Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Hey guys, So from what I understand Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus are battle brothers, so would it be possible to bring a Skitarii Maniple as my primary detachment with an allied Cohort Cybernetica formation, or do I need to bring a standard allied detachment if I want to bring Cult Mechanicus as allies for Skitarii? You'll have to excuse my ignorance here, as I'm sure the long-beards are getting sick of questions about detachments, formations etc. by now. :P Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Cant wait to see this army ;) And yes, i believe you can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnosaur93 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 iam pretty sure basically any formation can be used as an allied detatchment, given that it lives up to all the other general ally rules, that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 All Units must be part of a Detachment if you want your army to be Battleforged. Formations are a special type of Detachment. Allied Detachment is not necessary to ally two armys, just one option. So you can mix and match any number of Formations and Detachments from any Codex you want. It does not matter whether you are Battle Brothers or whatever when you choose your army, this will only have an effect on how they interact in game. So you can take a Skitarii Maniple, two Cohort Cybernetica Formations, add a Slaughter Cult, a Combined Arms Detachment Orks and an Allied Detachment Tyranids. Will look like sh*t and the fluff will be hard to explain, but it is totally within the rules ! So to answer your question: You can combine any number of CM and Skitarii Formations, CM Battle Congregations, Skitarii Maniples, Combined Arms or Ally Detachments as you wish (you can also include the same Formation / Detachment as often as you want). In the end you must choose one of these Detachments / Formations to be your Primary Detachment which includes your Warlord. Ally Detachment can never be your Primary Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosReigns Posted June 14, 2015 Author Share Posted June 14, 2015 Awesome! Thanks everyone (and especially DeStinyFiSh!). :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaulerUK Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 All Units must be part of a Detachment if you want your army to be Unbound. Almost... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeStinyFiSh Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 All Units must be part of a Detachment if you want your army to be Unbound. Almost... Ups It was kind of late... thanks for the hint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 The battle-cry of 6th/7th edition 40k: "The Force Organization Chart is dead! Long live Allies/Detachments/Formations!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full_ork Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Rather then make a new thread, I have a few questions. Is it viable to combine the two as allies? Part of me wants to make a mars force, but cult of mechanis seems to weak on it's own, but I"m hesitant to buy them if they aren't effecent toghether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 They work well enough together just make surr you pick units that work together. For instance. I take cohort with some skit troops for wounds and anti tank, and ironstrider for some ap 2, anti air, and mobile. So just pick units what things you think provide what cult mech units you want to bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm planning a similar force, while I'm working my way towards that white dwarf formation up until then i will combining the various formations for my force, thinking of going with: Skitarri Maniple + Ironstrider Cavaliers + Cybernetica Cohort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm planning a similar force, while I'm working my way towards that white dwarf formation up until then i will combining the various formations for my force, thinking of going with: Skitarri Maniple + Ironstrider Cavaliers + Cybernetica Cohort Yeah the striders work great; the ironstrider formation is alittle constraining because they work best when each model is indepent. It protects them from building wound pools. I guess the formation trades that off by everything basicly having a 5+ cover save. You just gotta keep the balistarii's behind the dragoons. though if your working you way towards the white dwarf formation ironstrider cavailers and cohort is abit of a lateral haha :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 yeah, the only problem I find with the convocation (other than the price tag hehe) is the skitarri element is limited to one unit of each type, i would have preferred more normal infantry than the ruststalkers, not quite sure how to effectively lose them. okay fun question can i use both skitarri doctrines and canticles in the same force? i know the doctrines would only affect the skitarii and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishDunc Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 yeah, the only problem I find with the convocation (other than the price tag hehe) is the skitarri element is limited to one unit of each type, i would have preferred more normal infantry than the ruststalkers, not quite sure how to effectively lose them. okay fun question can i use both skitarri doctrines and canticles in the same force? i know the doctrines would only affect the skitarii and so on. Simply put.... yes! The Skatarii element still holds all normal rules for Skatarii. In the War Convocation they do as well AND get the added benefit of the Canticles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 cool :) one of the reasons im working towards the convocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Probably the best part is you'll have the maximum Canticle benefit until you lose a few of your units, since EVERYTHING has the Canticle rule. Under Canticles you get things like: -Base S7 Sicarians (either type; Ruststalkers can stack this to 9 with Furious Charge and Transonic Blades, Infiltrators with Taser Goads) -Dragoons with 3+ Cover Saves all the time (or is that 2+? I can't remember Shrouded+Stealth interaction offhand) -Suddenly VERY dangerous Vanguard in CC with 30 free S4 hits at Initiative 10 (Electro Canticle). Don't forget Rad Saturation! -Re-rolls To Hit in melee OR shooting for your Imperial Knight (yes, he gets it too) Also, since you're using a Cult Mechanicus Detachment (forgot the name), you'll be able to use one of the Canticles twice. So you can double up any of those effects listed above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexj89 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Probably the best part is you'll have the maximum Canticle benefit until you lose a few of your units, since EVERYTHING has the Canticle rule. Under Canticles you get things like: -Base S7 Sicarians (either type; Ruststalkers can stack this to 9 with Furious Charge and Transonic Blades, Infiltrators with Taser Goads) -Dragoons with 3+ Cover Saves all the time (or is that 2+? I can't remember Shrouded+Stealth interaction offhand) -Suddenly VERY dangerous Vanguard in CC with 30 free S4 hits at Initiative 10 (Electro Canticle). Don't forget Rad Saturation! -Re-rolls To Hit in melee OR shooting for your Imperial Knight (yes, he gets it too) Also, since you're using a Cult Mechanicus Detachment (forgot the name), you'll be able to use one of the Canticles twice. So you can double up any of those effects listed above! are u sure of it ? where is written in the codex ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Ommadon Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I'm obsessed with the War Convocation! Ever since I opened that White Dwarf and read about it I knew it was for me! With that said there is a learning curve to effectively using the War Convocation (at least for me, 2 straight losses with it). Still I highly recommend playing with one! You will be toting a lot of books (3 different codexes) to your games! I've since created a laminated Weapon Profile sheet that combined all 3 books worth of weapons on to one two-sided sheet. There are A LOT of rules you need to remember (that and my dice are the biggest reasons for my losses)! @alexj89 - On pg. 56 in the grey box defining a Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation, it's one of the Command Benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexj89 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I'm obsessed with the War Convocation! Ever since I opened that White Dwarf and read about it I knew it was for me! With that said there is a learning curve to effectively using the War Convocation (at least for me, 2 straight losses with it). Still I highly recommend playing with one! You will be toting a lot of books (3 different codexes) to your games! I've since created a laminated Weapon Profile sheet that combined all 3 books worth of weapons on to one two-sided sheet. There are A LOT of rules you need to remember (that and my dice are the biggest reasons for my losses)! @alexj89 - On pg. 56 in the grey box defining a Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation, it's one of the Command Benefits. i miss it! so we can get stealth and srhouded for 2 turn :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Ommadon Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yes sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 hehe a knight with stealth and shroud for two turns :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Not sure how useful that will be since he already has a 4+ Invul from his shield, but I suppose this could help protect his flanks if you mess up the shield facing (personally guilty of this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not sure how useful that will be since he already has a 4+ Invul from his shield, but I suppose this could help protect his flanks if you mess up the shield facing (personally guilty of this). 2+ cover in a forest? Sign me up. That goes a long way of protecting a melee Knight from alpha strike. Then he goes ninja on the opponent's arse :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Don't know if it protects him from being alpha'd Immersturm. If your opponent draws first turn you won't have a chance to pop the Canticle! That said, I can see the appeal there more so than I did before; Shroudpsalm could be the hidden gem of the Canticle list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 True, but you do not always go first ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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