bluntblade Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) So I'm trying to envisage Tribe Nerius when they arrive. Do their elites have any distinctive colours or decorations? Looking again as Dwarvish stuff, and scale mail decorations could be neat. Could it be a thing for the Legion to have a Devastator elite? Or even merge them with their Assault Marines? Also, ranged weapons for elites. Meltas and flamers all the way, surely? Edited August 17, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4470111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Wondering about those Ordinatus weapons Niklaas devised. Could one of them be like a melta bomb launcher? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Are you thinking about the Magannon(sp?)? That's the closest thing I can think of as it's a fellblade sized artillery piece. Or is there something I missed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 @ Blunt Scales work for Nerius as their heraldry is a sea serpent. So anywhere you can fit scales in. Elite Devestators? I don't see why not. Nerius under Jehu's command is one of if not the most tactically flexible Tribe so mixed companies could work easily. All legion elites/veterans paint their arms silver as well as use silver trim and details. For ranged weapons FK use whatever best suits the task at hand. But fire is always usefull. @Blunt and Redd The Magganon is just one of the weapon systems Nik built. As far as huge cannons go anything is possible when Niklaas opens his closet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 We need a story where he reinforces another Legion, swooping down in a Stormbird and bringing presents. I'm gonna look up Hebrew words for "inferno", "eruption" and "firestorm" in that case. Being an enormous furry abhuman beast can be made to work against you. Particularly the furry part. I'm envisaging this as a napalm/melta variant of the Magannon. Hmm, purging furries with righteous flame. 1d4chan better appreciate this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Perhaps Maveshalak could be the name for the elite Devastators. Cobbled together from "death" and "throw". I wondered about "archer" but that translates as "yarah" which isn't as harsh-sounding. Edited August 18, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 18, 2016 Author Share Posted August 18, 2016 Perhaps Maveshalak couke be the name for the elite Devastators. Cobbled together from "death" and "throw". I wondered about "archer" but that translates as "yarah" which isn't as harsh-sounding. Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Just make sure these elite devastators are distinctive from Iron Havoks of the Iron Warriors: one easy way of doing this could be to make them more effective against hordes/infantry rather then big targets like tanks: so these guys would be more likely to use Heavy Flamers, Volkite Culverins and Assault Cannons. Perhaps they could also have split fire for the sergeant, and allow him to take a meltagun of some sort, so he can pop open transports and the flamers mop up the infantry inside? Also, I don't know if you've mentionned it, but Saint Nicolas once punched Arius during the Council of Nicaea. The real one :P I don't know if that's made it's way to the insurrection and the council of Baal? Demus Ragnok 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4471540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Anti-infantry could certainly work, as long as there's a unit which can take up the slack and hammer fortifications and vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Looking at the Triakonta's arsenal, I think the Maveshalak would still need some anti-vehicle and demolition capability. Maybe their thing could be to have a relatively even mix, with the Devastators largely taking the place of an elite assault company. Demus Ragnok 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Had a run at a blurb for the Maveshalak, I'd happily do so for the Triakonta too: +++++ While most of the Legions prized their elite assault companies, Niklaas preferred to use firepower to carry the day in escalades. To this end the Maveshalak were developed from the Legion's Devastator squads. They are designed to fulfill a dual role with some carrying missile launches and multi-meltas for use against vehicles and fortifications, while others bring heavy flamers and assault cannons to bear on any infantry unwise enough to try and resist them. The power of the Maveshalak is amplified further by the improvements that Niklaas has made to their arsenal, and they are led by Gideon Eshedath, the “Flame Hand”. Eshedath was a follower of Niklaas on Obsailes, and won widespread acclaim for his tactical acumen in the war against the Black Judges of Olympia. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Had a run at a blurb for the Maveshalak, I'd happily do so for the Triakonta too: +++++ While most of the Legions prized their elite assault companies, Niklaas preferred to use firepower to carry the day in escalades. To this end the Maveshalak were developed from the Legion's Devastator squads. They are designed to fulfill a dual role with some carrying missile launches and multi-meltas for use against vehicles and fortifications, while others bring heavy flamers and assault cannons to bear on any infantry unwise enough to try and resist them. The power of the Maveshalak is amplified further by the improvements that Niklaas has made to their arsenal, and they are led by Gideon Eshedath, the “Flame Hand”. Eshedath was a follower of Niklaas on Obsailes, and won widespread acclaim for his tactical acumen in the war against the Black Judges of Olympia. Remember, Devastators are called "Heavy Support Squads" in 30k ;) Plus you forgot the all-important Volkite Culverins :P Also, I think that dividing the use of the squad between anti-tank and anti-infantry roles is going to reduce their efficiency, and make it all the more complicated to come up with a nice special rule for them. I really think that giving the sergeant an anti-tank weapon and split fire should be enough if you want to hunt the contents of a vehicle at close range. Then you can give the rest of the squad some kind of re-rolls to wound against infantry and biker units, just to make sure you make everything die quickly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 What about having something like suspensor mounted Heavy Bolters with multiple specialty ammo selections? and then a Volkite Serpenta and CCW. Give them melta bombs for tanks and the sergeant a melta gun as suggested for a needed pop. They'd be a very good overall effective unit that can very easily saturate fire/Spray and prey. If they're an elite unit limit unit size and give them artificer armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) Had a run at a blurb for the Maveshalak, I'd happily do so for the Triakonta too: +++++ While most of the Legions prized their elite assault companies, Niklaas preferred to use firepower to carry the day in escalades. To this end the Maveshalak were developed from the Legion's Devastator squads. They are designed to fulfill a dual role with some carrying missile launches and multi-meltas for use against vehicles and fortifications, while others bring heavy flamers and assault cannons to bear on any infantry unwise enough to try and resist them. The power of the Maveshalak is amplified further by the improvements that Niklaas has made to their arsenal, and they are led by Gideon Eshedath, the “Flame Hand”. Eshedath was a follower of Niklaas on Obsailes, and won widespread acclaim for his tactical acumen in the war against the Black Judges of Olympia. Remember, Devastators are called "Heavy Support Squads" in 30k ;) Plus you forgot the all-important Volkite Culverins :P Also, I think that dividing the use of the squad between anti-tank and anti-infantry roles is going to reduce their efficiency, and make it all the more complicated to come up with a nice special rule for them. I really think that giving the sergeant an anti-tank weapon and split fire should be enough if you want to hunt the contents of a vehicle at close range. Then you can give the rest of the squad some kind of re-rolls to wound against infantry and biker units, just to make sure you make everything die quickly. (Grizzles) I called the Halcyon Wardens ones Devastators too. Damnit 30K, make your names cooler. I blame Sim, as he suggested a Devastator Captain for the Halcyon Wardens. I'll let you guys figure out how they should function, and then write it up. If anyone has an idea of what Eshedath might wield, feel free to put in a suggestion. Edited August 19, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (Grizzles) I called the Halcyon Wardens ones Devastators too. Damnit 30K, make your names cooler. I blame Sim, as he suggested a Devastator Captain for the Halcyon Wardens. I'll let you guys figure out how they should function, and then write it up. If anyone has an idea of what Eshedath might wield, feel free to put in a suggestion. Sorry, I'm the wrong person to talk to about the coolness of "Devastator", I absolutely hate that term for the generic heavy weapon squad. At least Heavy Support Squad makes sense and sounds more militarily acurate. Devastator sounds like a name a pre-teen kid would come up with to describe his supa-dupa-death-killa-dinorobot-of-doom. Blast, who's Eshadath again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Hmm... Eshedath I basically made up to command the Maveshalak. His surname translates roughly to "firehand" Heavy Support Elite just feels wrong to me, somehow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 "Veterans armed with the most powerful weapons of the Legion"? You don't have to use the specific phrase "_Blank_ elite" if you don't like how it rings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 True. I'm probably sinking into formula. Well as soon as Demus replies and we have their composition worked out, I'll rejig it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've had an idea for Niklaas in battle. He gets into melee, for sure, but even then he's using blink runes to direct bombardments to disrupt any formations he engages. So by coordinating the two, he completely splinters the enemy formation. Does he have a ranged weapon of any sort? A big Inferno Pistol could be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Demus, just wanted to let you know that in the far and distant future, I'll write you a pm about a possible war between the Keepers and the Predators, including Niklaas and Andezo fighting each other. Maybe our own Thramas crusade? Think that our Legions have the potential to some really good stuff. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4472510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 I've had an idea for Niklaas in battle. He gets into melee, for sure, but even then he's using blink runes to direct bombardments to disrupt any formations he engages. So by coordinating the two, he completely splinters the enemy formation. Does he have a ranged weapon of any sort? A big Inferno Pistol could be fun. Niks armor has built in heavy flamers. The only other ranged weapon I have for him is Peacemaker, a large revolver that fires rounds loaded with phosphex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4473087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 The only other ranged weapon I have for him is Peacemaker, a large revolver that fires rounds loaded with phosphex. http://i.imgur.com/JQB7k.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4473111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Might phosphex be a bit extreme for most engagements? Also Demus, let me know once you're settled on the final form of the Maveshalak and I'll edit the fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4473295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Might phosphex be a bit extreme for most engagements? http://i.imgur.com/hHWGev8.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4473350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Get out of here, 40k Chaplain Besides, he's a Salamander. They got beef with phosphex Edited August 20, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/309945-il-x-the-fire-keepers/page/6/#findComment-4473353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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