Failbaddon Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 HQ: Master Of Signals Artificer Armour, Refractor Field (115pts) Damocles Command Rhino (MoS travels inside here) (100pts) Elites: Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought 2x Kheres Assault Cannon, Havoc Launcher (195pts) Troops: Justaerin Terminator Squad (10) 2x Chainfist, 2x Multi-Melta (555pts) Reaver Attack Squad (10) Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, 5 Chainaxes, 4 Power Weapons, 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist Dedicated Transport: Dreadclaw (415pts) Reaver Attack Squad (10) Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, 5 Chainaxes, 4 Power Weapons, 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist Dedicated Transport: Dreadclaw (415pts) Tactical Squad (20) Artificer Armour, Power Weapon, Additional CCWs, Legion Vexilla (320pts) Fast Attack: Dreadclaw (100pts) Storm Eagle Ceramite Armour, TL Multi-Melta, TL Lascannon (285pts) Lord Of War: Horus Rite Of War: The Black Reaving (500pts) Tactics: This is sort of a way to combine the advantages of my previous two lists and get rid of the disadvantages as much as possible. In my previous two lists, one meant I outnumbered the enemy most of the time (and therefore allowing me to get my merciless fighters attacks), but meant that I had decreased protection and the other was the other way round. Horus and the Justaerin are obviously meant to deal with the opponent's really dangerous stuff. With Horus' teleportation matrix, I can bring them in whenever I want. I was thinking bringing them turn 1 if the enemy has a lot of dangerous stuff on the board or turn 2 to counter-attack if he has dangerous stuff in reserves and I think I've equipped them to adequately deal with armour and infantry. I want the Reavers to make a turn 1 drop pod assault so that I can heat blast some guys and give them an armoured assault vehicle for protection so they can assault turn 2 and trap some valuable enemy units in combat. Then, the Tactical squad in the Storm Eagle comes in. It can bust open some vehicles and then deploy the tactical squad, which will unleash holy hell on one of the enemy units in combat with the Reavers. With extra CCWs and rage from my RoW, they'll be getting 80 attacks on the charge. Combined with the Reavers, they're getting 110 attacks in on some unfortunate enemy. Furthermore, 30 models in an assault will outnumber most things, getting me up to an additional 29 attacks from merciless fighters (-1 because the power fist is unwieldy). To add to this, the Damocles Rhino lets me add or take 1 to my reserve rolls, meaning I can have a 2+ reserve roll that I can re-roll thanks to my legion special rules. Also, my Dreadclaws won't scatter within 24" of it. Any feedback at all will be much appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Unfortunately, both lists do not work since you cannot have the Master of Signals as your compulsory HQ. They changed it in an FAQ :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4126916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 The rules of the Black Reaving RoW state that you must take a Master of Signals as a COMPULSORY HQ choice, meaning that it overrules the "Legion Support Officer" special rule, which states that the model may not be taken as a compulsory HQ choice unless exempted by a legion special rule or RoW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4127181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Ha nice, missed that :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4127997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 So now, onto the list. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4128239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Mjolnir Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 This is a very similar list to my own Black Reaving list but I'm not a massive fan of dread claws so I've taken jump packs for my reavers. Other than the TLLC Contemptor Mortis, MoS and Damocles rhino everything else is in reserve. It's an all or nothing list. I find Black Reaving to be quite a fragile list to be honest. Praetor Jump pack, iron halo, digital lasers, melta bombs, paragon blade Master of Signals Damocles Rhino Justaerin (x10) - teleports with Horus 2 x chainfists, 4 x power fists, 4 x power axe, 2 x multi melta, 8 x combi weapons Reaver attack squad (x10) jump packs, 2 x chain axes, 1 x powerfist, 4 x power swords, 2 x meltaguns, melta bombs for chieftan Reaver attack squad (x10) jump packs, 2 x chain axes, 1 x powerfist, 4 x power swords, 2 x meltaguns, melta bombs for chieftan Contemptor Chainfist w/ meltagun, multi melta, extra armour Contemptor Mortis 2 x TLLC Contemptor Mortis 2 x Kheres assault cannons Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter 2 x 2 Kraken penetrator missiles, battle servitor control, ground tracking augaries Horus, Primach of the Sons of Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4140577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 My problem with Jump Pack Reavers is that if you keep them in reserves, there's no assaulting until turn 3 and none until turn 2 if you start them on the board. Either way, you are highly vulnerable to enemy fire. I took the Dreadclaws because I can keep them in and assault turn 2, also, since it's flying, they have to snap fire. Also, the Praetor in your list is pointless. You already have Horus as your master of the legion, and the Black Reaving rules mean that you can take the MoS as a compulsory HQ choice. If I can suggest something for your list, drop the Praetor and 2 dreadnoughts and replace him with a Praevian with a few Castellaxes w/Darkfire Cannons. Then, you have something as resilient, more firepower and models that count as 3 models for the purpose of merciless fighters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4140990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Mjolnir Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 It's funny you say that about the Praevian because that's what I'm next trying out. I've just built a Praevian and three dark fire Castellax. Our local meta must be different as flying transports would not get anywhere in my local games due to an abundance of anti air units. I think the trade off of outflanking and arriving turn two with jump packs rather than a turn 2 assault is a better option for me in order to reach combat relatively intact. I've only recently become aware that the MoS fulfils the mandatory HQ choice too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Mjolnir Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Also, I don't think Horus can arrive turn 1 using teleport. I believe the ruling states he can arrive on a turn of his choosing after the first turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I'm liking the Black Reaving nowadays. The ability to take a MoS as your Compulsory HQ really sells it for me. A few thoughts: Dreadclaws will Deep Strike onto the board in Hover mode, which makes them Fast Skimmers, not Flyers. They're still able to Jink, and it's still best to keep your Reavers inside them. Rather than dropping in an empty 100-point Dreadclaw, why don't you find a way to utilise the slot? Maybe a Dreadnought in a Dreadnought Drop Pod? And yes, Horus can only teleport in starting from Turn 2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 I'm liking the Black Reaving nowadays. The ability to take a MoS as your Compulsory HQ really sells it for me. A few thoughts: Dreadclaws will Deep Strike onto the board in Hover mode, which makes them Fast Skimmers, not Flyers. They're still able to Jink, and it's still best to keep your Reavers inside them. Rather than dropping in an empty 100-point Dreadclaw, why don't you find a way to utilise the slot? Maybe a Dreadnought in a Dreadnought Drop Pod? And yes, Horus can only teleport in starting from Turn 2. Thanks For The Advice! I was under the Impression that you could put a contemptor in a Dreadclaw, but I may be wrong. If I am, I'll just replace it with a normal contemptor in a dreadnought drop pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Actually, you can put a contemptor into a Dreadclaw, iirc. However, I feel that the Lucius Pod (DDP) is a bit better since it gives the dread shrouding when it lands which may be a bit more useful. It also helps that its not as expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Thanks Everyone For The Advice! Here Is My Modified List: HQ: Cenutrion Artificer Armour, Refractor Field Consul: Master Of Signals (115pts) Damocles Command Rhino (100pts) Elites: Contemptor Dreadnought Talon 1 Contemptor Dreadnought, 2x Kheres Assault Cannon, Havoc Launcher Dedicated Transport: Dreadnought Drop Pod (285pts) Troops: Justaerin Terminator Squad (10) 2 Multi-Melta, 1 Chainfist (545pts) Reaver Attack Squad (10) Reaver Chieftan: Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Melta Bombs, Hand Flamer Reavers: 2 Flamers, 2 Power Weapons, 7 Chainaxes Dedicated Transport: Dreadclaw (392pts) Reaver Attack Squad (10) Reaver Chieftan: Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Melta Bombs, Hand Flamer Reavers: 2 Flamers, 2 Power Weapons, 7 Chainaxes Dedicated Transport: Dreadclaw (392pts) Tactical Squad (20) Sergeant: Artifcer Armour, Power Weapon, Extra CCW Tactical Marines: Extra CCWs, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio Vox (335pts) Fast Attack: Storm Eagle TL Multi-Melta, 2x TL Lascannons, Ceramite Armour, Searchlight (286pts) Lord Of War: Horus Lupercal Rite Of War: The Black Reaving (500pts) Total: 2950/3000pts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I'd drop a Tactical Marine and spend the points saved to attach an Apothecary (with an augury scanner) to the 19-man unit. If you want artificer armour on him, consider dropping the Nuncio-vox, as it is a bit of a waste with the Damocles (and all your stuff will likely be on the board already). The Apothecary will massively increase the unit's survivability. You may be short on anti-tank, but I like it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Done! As for the anti-tank issue, would you agree too 2 CCWs w/ Graviton over the Kheres? I'm not sure if I'd be better off having him as a dedicated tank or infantry hunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Hands down the Graviton, you have plenty of tools to deal with infantry. Nice list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4141769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failbaddon Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Cheers! Can't wait to have it fielded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311374-3000pts-sons-of-horus-the-black-reaving-new-list/#findComment-4144604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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