RULES - Primarch and Legion

[Hesh Kadesh]

Well the Drowned get Charonic Seekers who must Deep Strike, but get the ability to blat away with Poisoned Rotor Cannon, Havoc Missiles and can upgrade to Cyclones and Iliastus Cannon for 10pts each upgrade per person with ability to fire both.

 

Their roll is essentially during Zone Mortalis engagements to port in, and gib the HQ.

[Doctor Perils]

  On 3/11/2016 at 5:26 PM, Grifftofer said:

So maybe give them two weapons and a special rule that if they use both they have the gets hot! rule? Or if you intend to give them plasma options then gets hot on a 1 or 2 (making it possible to both hit and injure yourself if you get bs5).

I like this. It might also be a good idea to only give them one attack (since they haven't got a cc weapon): In that case you'll want to let the Sergeant have cc weapons or they'll be sitting ducks.

(Also, I think this goes without saying, but both weapons would have to be identical, and you'd probably be best without blast or melta weapons.)

[MikhalLeNoir]

Soo, thought of a new relic/weapon for the Wardens of Light. Here the stats and in the spoiler a short description.

 

The Illuminator

 

Warp charge: 2

Range: template. Strength: D, ap1, flamer template, assault 5 soulburn, fleshbane

All who are in direct sightline and in 12" range of the bearer of the Illuminator have to make a LD -Test with -4. If they fail it, they took a glimpse and suffer the same damage as if they were under the template.

 

Hidden Content

 

Showing the emperor of mankind without clothes the very look at it could burn your eyes out and inflict terrible damage to body and soul. Every single page contains pictures you don't want to see and if you do it changes everything. Behold!!! Look only if you are blind

 

Of course this is just a joke, had a discussion on silly weapons with Travier. ^^ Sorry in advance

Edited March 12, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[Raktra]

No no no no no no nooooo. FIVE D TEMPLATES. Way too much.

[Raktra]

I GOT GOT. DAMMIT.

[Slips]

That thing should be warp charge 5 at the minimum. And even then itd be way too op.

Soul Blaze and Fleshbane are also redundant since D weapons dont wound like normal.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Slipstreams

[AlphariusOmegon108]

That people fell for this is amazing xD Mikhal and I did a great job I guess xD

[MikhalLeNoir]

Psssst, just wait if more fall for the bait;)

[Grifftofer]

Make them hellstorm templates and watch the tears flow ;)

[Raktra]

Yohoho, can I get some thoughts on these boys?

 

The Wretched
WS:4    BS:0     S:4      T:4     W:1     I:4      A:2     LD:10     Sv:4+

Unit Composition
10 Wretched

 

​Unit Type
Beasts

 

Wargear
Armour remnants
Gnarled talons

Special rules
Undone by the Blood
Sins of the Father
Echoes of Pain
Fear
Bulky

Options
May add up to ten additional Wretched

Armour remnants: 4+ armour save
Gnarled talons: RNG: - S: User AP: 5, rending

Undone by the Blood: When a model with this special rule is killed in close combat, the attacking unit suffers a S:3 AP:5 hit with the rending special rule, allocated as per normal close combat attacks.

 

Sins of the Father: Wretched may never be a scoring or denial unit. They do not benefit from special rules granted by friendly characters, wargear, or psychic powers. They may not be joined by Independent Characters, may never embark upon a transport vehicle and do not receive nor benefit from any aspect of the Legion Astartes: Berserkers of Uran rule. The Primarch Raktra's Sire rule does not effect them.

 

Echoes of Pain: Ignores enemy FNP rolls in close combat.


Main thing is I do not know how to cost them. A lot of drawbacks, but pretty stabby in the face. Hit me up.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Raktra

[Slips]

150 for 10, 7ppm.

 

I would posit that they can be embarked in Super-Heavy Transports only if theyre the sole occupants.

Edited March 13, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Sigismund229]

Got a bit bored so I thought I'd try and cobble together some rules and such to represent the Nightguard. 

 

Unique Wargear

Aegis Pattern Power Armour:  Any model wearing Aegis pattern power armour counts as having the Adamantium Will special rule and a 2+ armour save and 6++ invulnerable save. May be taken by any model or squad with the Legiones Astartes(Nightguard) special rule for +30 points each. 

Spirit Reaver:  Any model equipped with a Spirit Reaver gains a weapon with the following profile: S: user AP:2 Melee, Soul Blaze. May be taken by any independent character or sergeant with the Legiones Astartes(Nightguard) special rule for +20 points. 

Nightguard Munitions: Any model equipped with Nightguard munitions and armed with a bolter, bolt pistol or heavy bolter gains the following profile when shooting: S:4 AP:3 Heavy 3, Soul Blaze, Gets Hot!. May be taken by any squad or independent character with the Legiones Astartes(Nightguard) special rule for +15 points per model. 

 

Special Rules

The Eternal Vigil: Any squad with Legiones Astartes(Nightguard) gains Night vision and Zealot. 

Until the death: Any squad with Legiones Astartes(Nightguard) gains Feel No Pain(6+) and Hatred(Chaos)

The Select Few: You may never take the Nightguard as your primary detachement. Instead, the Nightguard may be taken as allies by any force with Legiones Astartes(Loyalists) or Legiones Astartes(Renegades) and are treated as Distrusted Allies. 

Edited March 14, 2016 by Sigismund229

[Slips]

For future reference, a ++ Save is specifically used for Invulnerable saves. So the Armor would be a 2+/6++

 

For the Weapon, just state Characters and Independent characters with LA(NG) rule.

 

For the ammo, just say is replaces the standard profile with: S4, Ap3 with Soul Blaze and Gets Hot! because otherwise, the way its written you have a Heavy 3 Bolt Pistol and a bolter that can fire 3 shots at normal range and potentially 6 in Rapid Fire. OR just loses rapid fire. Make it +10 for ICs, +5 per marine in a squad (All must take it).

[Hesh Kadesh]

  On 3/12/2016 at 11:46 PM, Raktra said:

Yohoho, can I get some thoughts on these boys?

 

The Wretched

WS:4    BS:0     S:4      T:4     W:1     I:4      A:2     LD:10     Sv:4+

 

Unit Composition

10 Wretched

 

​Unit Type

Beasts

 

Wargear

Armour remnants

Gnarled talons

 

Special rules

Undone by the Blood

Sins of the Father

Echoes of Pain

Fear

Bulky

 

Options

May add up to ten additional Wretched

 

Armour remnants: 4+ armour save

Gnarled talons: RNG: - S: User AP: 5, rending

 

Undone by the Blood: When a model with this special rule is killed in close combat, the attacking unit suffers a S:3 AP:5 hit with the rending special rule, allocated as per normal close combat attacks.

 

Sins of the Father: Wretched may never be a scoring or denial unit. They do not benefit from special rules granted by friendly characters, wargear, or psychic powers. They may not be joined by Independent Characters, may never embark upon a transport vehicle and do not receive nor benefit from any aspect of the Legion Astartes: Berserkers of Uran rule. The Primarch Raktra's Sire rule does not effect them.

 

Echoes of Pain: Ignores enemy FNP rolls in close combat.

 

 

Main thing is I do not know how to cost them. A lot of drawbacks, but pretty stabby in the face. Hit me up.

I'd possibly give them some sort of ability to identify enemy Infiltrators similar to an Augury Scanner without the Interceptor bubble.  For consistencies sake, I'd either apply Echoes of Pain to the Gnarled Talons, or simply state that for echoes of pain "Feel No Pain may never be taken against wounds caused by Gnarled Talons". I'm not sure over "armour remnants - after all Khârn has a 2+ Save despite having taken an arm off, and Gal Vorbak are 3+ Saves despite being half flesh. Being only T4 and 4+ Save just means that Heavy Bolters now have something to fire on, and without a vehicle, Feel No Pain, etc, they're just going to die in droves. I didn't really see these guys as being a horde of monsters to throw at something.

 

I think Slips has it correct at 150pts. I'd also make the Gnarled Talons Paired, (+1 Attack, Two Handed), and maybe give the unit Hatred, but other than that, pretty good :). 

[Demus Ragnok]

Fumbling with Legion rules.

 

CRUSADE ARMY LIST APPENDIX THE FIRE KEEPERS

 

Legion Astartes Fire Keepers

 

Legion Astartes: May always attempt to regroup regardless of casualties.

 

Fearsome : LA:FK units that are within 7 inches of an eligible target may charge automatically, they need not roll for charge distance. Units that make a successful charge of more than 7 inches gain the Hammer of Wrath special rule. Units that already have HoW gain no benefit. Units making a disordered charge gain none of the above benefits.

 

Intractable: All units with LA:FK must reroll one d6 on all failed fear, morale, and penning tests.

 

Refuse the Witch: A LA:FK detachment may not include a librarian consul as an HQ choice. Furthermore a LA:FK detachment that is allied to a detachment that includes a librarian/ psyker must take a chaplain consul as its HQ selection.

 

Echelons: A LA:FK detachment may not include more units of the jump infantry, bike, or jet bike type than units of the infantry type. Given this restriction some Rites of War are not available to a LA:FK army.

[Big Bad Squig]

Finalised Godslayers rules for Book 1:

 

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Godslayers Rules (Book 1)

 

Legiones Astartes:  Godslayers

 

Psychic Suppressants:  Adamantine Will

To The Last:  If the army’s Warlord is slain, all models with this rule gain Feel No Pain (6+) and Stubborn.  Additionally, Godslayers may never voluntarily Go to Ground.

Lanterns of Humanity:  Destroyer Squads, Vigilator Consuls, Recon Marines or any models equipped with phosphex bombs or shells may not be included in a Godslayers army.

 

Legion Specific Weapons:

 

Any Character with the Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) special rule may take any items from this list:

 

Ripper Glaive

Any Independent Character with the Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) special rule replace their combat blade with a Ripper Glaive for 20 points.  A Ripper Glaive is a weapon with the following profile:

 

RNG: -   Str: +1   AP: 3      Melee, Two-handed, Rending (5+)

 

Kingslayer Knife

Any Character with the Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) special rule replace their combat blade with a Kingslayer Knife for 10 points.  A Kingslayer Knife is a weapon with the following profile:

 

RNG: -   Str: User   AP: 4      Melee, Murderous Strike, Rending (5+)

 

Zbruchan Repeater Shotgun

Any Character with the Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) special rule replace their boltgun or bolt pistol with a Zbruchan Repeater Shotgun for 5 points.  A Zbruchan Repeater Shotgun is a weapon with the following profile:

 

RNG: 12”   Str: 4   AP: -      Assault 3

 

Zbruchan Fire (Relic)

Zbruchan Fire is a unique suit of Terminator Armour, crafted for the first Godslayers Legion Master, Prometear Thyris.  Only one model in a Godslayers army with the Independent Character special rule may take Zbruchan Fire, which replaces the model’s power or artificer armour, for 50 points.  It confers a 2+ armour save, a 4+ invulnerable save, and the Slow and Purposeful, Eternal Warrior and Feel No Pain special rules.

 

 

(LORD OF WAR) Koschei Kharkovic – 415 pts

Primarch of the Godslayers, The Dreamer, The Light In The Darkness

WS: 7  BS: 5   S: 6   T: 6   W: 6   I: 6   A: 4   Ld: 10   Sv: 2+

                            

Unit Composition:

·         1 (Unique)

 

Unit Type:

·         Infantry (Character)

 

Wargear:

·         The Black Mantle

·         God’s Hand

·         Blade of the Pariah

 

Special Rules:

·         Primarch

·         Preferred Enemy (psykers)

·         Sire of the Godslayers

·         Bulky

·         Psychic Suppressant

 

Warlord Trait:

·         Intimidating Presence

 

God’s Hand:  RNG: -   S: x2   AP: 1   Melee, Unwieldy, Concussive, Specialist Weapon

 

Blade of the Pariah:  RNG: -   S: User   AP: 3   Melee, Murderous Strike, Piercing Blow, Psy-bane

Psy-bane:  Gains the Instant Death special rule when targeting a psyker.

 

The Black Mantle:  2+ armour save, 4+ invulnerable save, Aegis

Aegis:  Destroyer weapons suffer a -1 modifier on the Destroyer chart when targeting Koschei.

 

Sire of the Godslayers:  Feel No Pain (5+).  All friendly models with Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) gain Feel No Pain (6+). If Koschei is slain, all friendly models with Legiones Astartes (Godslayers) gain Feel No Pain (5+) and Fearless.

 

Psychic Suppressant: All blessing and maledictions within 6" inches immediately cease to effect. All psykers within 6" inches suffer -2 leadership. He and his unit may not be targeted by any psychic powers, and he grants all units fully within 6 inches +2 to Deny the Witch rolls.

 

 

(HQ) Karl Volkov – 220 pts

First Captain of the Eighth

WS: 7   BS: 4   S: 4   T: 4   W: 4   I: 5   A: 4   Ld: 10   Sv: 2+

 

Unit Composition:

·         1 (Unique)

 

Unit Type:

·         Infantry (Character)

 

Wargear:

·         Cataphractii Terminator Armour

·         Volkite charger

·         Lucifer Glaive

 

Special Rules:

·         Independent Character

·         Legiones Astartes (Godslayers)

·         Eternal Warrior

·         Master of the Legion

·         Feel No Pain

·         Fearless

·         Furious charge

 

Warlord Trait:

·         Bloody Handed

 

Lucifer Glaive:  RNG: -   S: +1   AP: 3   Melee, Murderous Strike, Piercing Blow, Deflagrate

 

 

(HQ) Alexander Kharkovic – 195 pts
He Who Lived
WS: 6 BS: 5 S: 4 T: 4 W: 3 I: 5 A: 4 Ld: 10 Sv: 2+

Unit Composition:
· 1 (Unique)

Unit Type:
· Jump Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
· Artificer Armour
· Kryl’ya
· Archaeotech Pistol
· Thunder Hammer

Special Rules:
· Master of the Legion
· Legiones Astartes (Godslayers)
· Primarchkin
· Otherworldly Protection
· Pariah (Secundus)

Pariah:
Alexander Kharkovic automatically possesses the following abilities:
· Psychic Void:

Upgraded to 12” range

· Indomitable Will:

Upgraded to 6” range

Kryl’ya: Confers the jump unit type, and the Jink and Thunderous Impact special rules.
Thunderous Impact: The Unwieldy special rule conferred by Alexander’s Thunder Hammer is ignored during the first turn of a combat into which Alexander charged, using his jump pack.

Primarchkin: Alexander passes Look Out, Sir! rolls on a 2+. In addition, should Alexander be slain, and Koschei Kharkovic is present on the battlefield, Koschei gains the Rage and Hatred special rules.

Otherworldly Protection: Alexander has a 5+ invulnerable save

 

 

(ELITES) Goliath Terminator Squad – 200 pts

Goliath Terminators were first born from a need to combat larger xenoforms encountered on the fringes of the Segmentum Pacificus during the early years of the Great Crusade.  Using enormous, two-handed power glaives called Rippers, Goliaths make up the majority of Karl Volkov’s First Company and are the legion’s fighting elite.  Although they excel in all forms of combat, Goliaths are trained foremost in the art of the beastslayer, being able to bring down even the largest of monsters with a well-placed jab or slice. 

 

Goliath Terminator                WS: 4   BS: 4   S: 4   T: 4   W: 1   I: 4   A: 2   Ld: 9   Sv: 2+

Goliath Terminator Sergeant  WS: 5   BS: 4   S: 4   T: 4   W: 1   I: 4   A: 3   Ld: 10   Sv: 2+

 

Unit Composition:

·               4 Goliath Terminators

·               1 Goliath Terminator Sergeant

Unit Type:

·               Goliath Terminator – Infantry

·               Goliath Terminator Sergeant – Infantry (Character)

Wargear:

·               Cataphractii Terminator Armour

·               Combi-bolter

·               Ripper Glaive

 

Dedicated Transport:

·               A Goliath Terminator squad numbering five models may take a Land Raider Phobos as a Dedicated Transport or a Spartan if ten models or fewer. Note that if an army contains a character that has one of the Rites of War special rules (see page 189), other Dedicated Transport options may be available for the squad.

 

Special Rules:

·               Legiones Astartes (Godslayers)

·               Stubborn

·               Monster Hunter

 

Options:

·               The Goliath Terminator Squad may take:

·         Up to seven additional Goliath Terminators ………………………… 35 pts per model

·               Any model may exchange their combi-bolter for a volkite charger … 5 pts per model

·               Any model may exchange their Ripper glaive for one of the following:

·         Power fist …………………………………………………………………………….. 5 pts

·         Chainfist ………………………………………………………………………………. 10 pts

 

Ripper Glaive:  RNG: -   Str: +1   AP: 3      Melee, Two-handed, Rending (5+)

 

 

(TROOPS) Suppressor Squad – 210 pts

The Soul-Eater Curse exists within all Godslayers, from lowly initiates to captains and chaplains.  Although it is latent in most, in those chosen it will blossom throughout the marine’s life.  While, when fully matured, they may be promoted to high ranks, when younger these pariahs will be assigned to Suppressor Squads, to prove themselves.  While one suppressor marine on his own would be no more than an irritation to a psyker, in large clusters, bolters raging and chainblades revving, these squads are able to project a veil of darkness across the battlefield that only the sharpest minds can penetrate.

 

Suppressor Marine         WS: 4   BS: 4   S: 4   T: 4   W: 1   I: 4   A: 1   Ld: 8   Sv: 3+

Suppressor Witchbane  WS: 4   BS: 4   S: 4   T: 4   W: 1   I: 4   A: 2   Ld: 9   Sv: 3+

 

Unit Composition:

·          9 Suppressor Marines

·         1 Suppressor Witchbane

Unit Type:

·         Suppressor Marine – Infantry

·         Suppressor Witchbane – Infantry (Character)

Wargear:

·         Power Armour

·         Bolter

·         Bolt Pistol

 

Special Rules:

·         Legiones Astartes (Godslayers)

·         Twisted Brotherhood

 

Pariah:

Suppressor Squads automatically possess the following abilities:

·         Psychic Void:

o   Upgraded to 12” range

 

Options:

·         The Suppressor Squad may take:

o   Up to fifteen additional Suppressor Marines ……………… 12 pts per model

·         The Suppressor squad may buy up to 25 points of upgrades from Pariah Abilities

·         All models in the unit may take a combat blade … 2 pts per model

·         The Suppressor Witchbane may exchange their bolter for one of the following:

o   Combi-weapon ………………………….................................. 10 pts

o   Power weapon …………………………………………………………. 10 pts

o   Power fist ……………………………………………………............... 15 pts

o   Lightning claw …………………………………………………………… 15 pts

o   Plasma pistol …………………………………………………………….. 15 pts

o   Heavy chainsword ……………………………………………………… 5 pts

·         The Suppressor Witchbane may take melta bombs ………………… 5 pts

·         The Suppressor Witchbane may upgrade to Artificer Armour … 10 pts

Edited March 18, 2016 by Big Bad Squig

[Slips]

Lanterns of Humanity: Units may be included or may not be included?

 

In Koschei's "Sire of" Rule, you do no specify the Feel No Pain Values.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Slipstreams

[Big Bad Squig]

Well spotted Slips!

[MikhalLeNoir]

Well. Only one thing to say( okay two, nahh three) first: looks very good.

2nd: the soul eater curse is also a curse the wardens have. Well or gwalchavad as he literally eats the souls of those who look him in the eyes. How does it manifest with yours? Damn curse I say.

 

 

Last: hmm. I thought eternal warrior is really veeeeeeeeery rare so having actually both of your special chars have the rule is kinda weird. But maybe I mistook it ( more options for meeeeeeeee) ;)

[Grifftofer]

I wonder if that is due to my infence Mikhal? Given that I am generally against Eternal Warrior being a thing in 30K. I find it just disorts things too much when some people can get it and others can't. I mean do you ever see a salamander Praetor without the item (Adamantine Mantle?) that gives them EW? But I'll get off my soap-box and start copying these over to the LAAC.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Well, you opened a new perspective rulewise. I gave eternal warrior only to Arngrim Valten cause he is an eternal warrior;) even scorpiom is not one;)

[simison]

  On 3/18/2016 at 8:21 PM, Grifftofer said:

I wonder if that is due to my infence Mikhal? Given that I am generally against Eternal Warrior being a thing in 30K. I find it just disorts things too much when some people can get it and others can't. I mean do you ever see a salamander Praetor without the item (Adamantine Mantle?) that gives them EW? But I'll get off my soap-box and start copying these over to the LAAC.

 

Except I repeated that since only Sigismund has it to my knowledge. Minus him, I think only the Primarchs have it, despite all of the other featured unique characters.

[Big Bad Squig]

If the general consensus is for it to be removed, then I'll be happy to.  I'll need a little help re-calculating points though.

[Slips]

Garro has it but hes a recent addition.

 

I dont remember if Rubio Has it and I doubt the generic Knight Errant Does.

 

The Namean Reaver might have it but I cant recall.

 

Otherwise, its as before: Sigismund, Generic Salamander Praetor, Primarch, Cataphractii-Primus SoH Character, Endurance Buffed Units.

[Demus Ragnok]

  On 3/18/2016 at 8:21 PM, Grifftofer said:

I wonder if that is due to my infence Mikhal? Given that I am generally against Eternal Warrior being a thing in 30K. I find it just disorts things too much when some people can get it and others can't. I mean do you ever see a salamander Praetor without the item (Adamantine Mantle?) that gives them EW? But I'll get off my soap-box and start copying these over to the LAAC.

The Sallies have the Mantle of the Elder Drake.

 

But im the guy that included the Adamantine Mantle in my legion armory.