Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I can't figure out whether Skitarii can have allies as part of a Combined Arms detachment since Skitarii use the maniple. Can I for example have some space marine allies (not another detachment) such as a tech marine 5 scouts and a rhino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The only way anyone can have allies is by adding another Detachment to the army, or going Unbound. Skitarii work exactly like everything else, whether you're including them in your army as part of a Combined Arms Detachment, a Maniple, any of their Formations, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Is this list legal then? and are Skitarii and marines Battle Brothers? Skitarii Vanguard (10) - Omnispex / (3) Plasma Caliver / Power Sword / Phosphor blast pistol / Pater Radium / Conversion field - 250 Skitarii Rangers (10) - Omnispex / (3) Arc rifle / Arc maul / Arc pistol - 205 Skitarii Rangers (10) - Omnispex / (3) Transuranic arequbus / Taser Goad / Radium pistol- 220 Onager - Neutron Laser and cognis heavy stubber / Cognis Manipulator / Smoke Launchers - 145 Allies Tech Marine - Servo Harness - 90 Space Marines (10) - 140 Rhino - 35 Detachment Knight Paladin - 375 Detachment Culexus - 140 - 1600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes, of course: there's basically no such thing as an illegal army, just Battle-forged or Unbound. That army would be Battle-forged if you took the Skitarii in a Skitarii Maniple, the Space Marines in an Allied Detachment, the Knight Paladin in an Oathsworn Detachment, and the Culexus Assassin in an Officio Assassinorum Detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can I put my Vanguard in the Rhino then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes. If you buy it as a Dedicated Transport for the Tactical Squad, only they can start in it, but anything can use it once the game begins. If you buy it as Fast Attack instead, anyone can start the game in it. The advantage of buying it as a Dedicated Transport is that it would have Objective Secured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 I want to use it as a delivery device to get my Vanguard up against my opponent and deliver a punishing barrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 yep^^ the systems works like that: basically you build your army using: - Detachments (like the old army organisation chart - f.e. the CAD/Combined Arms Detachment) - Formations (GW says you which units to use and you get special rules) - "Decurions" or whatever they are called now, basically a few formations together - you can use any codices you like in your army, aslong as they can play together (f.e. daemons and chaos marines is ok; tyranids and loyal marines not) - you can use as many formations/detachments/decurions as you have points alternative, you can go Unbound and use whatever you have ...^^ so yeah, you can use an army consisting of: - Skitarii Maniple - Knight Formation/Detachment - Imperial Assassin - Tempestus Scions Detachment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I want to use it as a delivery device to get my Vanguard up against my opponent and deliver a punishing barrage. A single Rhino is quite likely to be destroyed before you get to do that. You don't have a lot of armour so it's an easy and obvious target. But the rules certainly allow you to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 I want to use it as a delivery device to get my Vanguard up against my opponent and deliver a punishing barrage. A single Rhino is quite likely to be destroyed before you get to do that. You don't have a lot of armour so it's an easy and obvious target. But the rules certainly allow you to try. Yeah I know, last game though I had all my units foot slogging and they got owned, this time it's a bigger game and I'm hoping my Knight or Onager may be a more tempting target. It's only a trial, I want a full admech force in future but not got enough yet so I'm having to ally stuff in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 looks good, I'm sure your vanguard alpha in the 3x plasma squad is your warlord eh re-rolling the plasma shots is a must if you take 3 of em... I use Jimmy neutron Onager's as well and find it very handy(i will run 3 of em as a unit eventually) did you think of trying for a drop pod for the vanguard? or is that too many points to sink?or is it a fast attack purchase...im not even sure LOL i haven't played marines since last Ed ... How does the Culexus go...What's your main use for that as its quite specific,do you face psykers a lot?... cheers Mithril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 did you think of trying for a drop pod for the vanguard? or is that too many points to sink?or is it a fast attack purchase. A drop pod would be a straight swap for the Rhino in every respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 looks good, I'm sure your vanguard alpha in the 3x plasma squad is your warlord eh re-rolling the plasma shots is a must if you take 3 of em... I use Jimmy neutron Onager's as well and find it very handy(i will run 3 of em as a unit eventually) did you think of trying for a drop pod for the vanguard? or is that too many points to sink?or is it a fast attack purchase...im not even sure LOL i haven't played marines since last Ed ... How does the Culexus go...What's your main use for that as its quite specific,do you face psykers a lot?... cheers Mithril Not used the Culexus yet, but I face Eldar a lot and I got fed up of all their jiggery pockery lol As for the drop pod if it's fast attack I could swap it I guess, only thing is I like the rhino's ability to move the unit about after the initial deployment, especially when I'm facing swift armies like the Eldar. Also dropping in a unit without support especially when it combines my warlord is giving the enemy two VP straight off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 ok, not using the pod makes sense I do see you have kitted out the alpha in the transuranic arq unit...why? if those guys are doing their job- 3x sniper rifles at 60" they're not going to see any heat,except for maybe a marine pod and honestly if someones going to dedicate a whole pod of marines after just one unit in your backfield then thats a great thing(all your other stuff is still going to be killing ) those extra points could be better spent on say melta or plasma for your marines... Mithril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 I dunno lol I guess it's because it was in my old list and I just left them on, it's also on the model as well so dunno if I should drop them, could just drop the model leaving me with 26 points to spend on the marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Had my game, Culexus got owned in first turn by battery of D cannons, left the vanguard in rhino for a turn then moved them forward they weathered one turn of fire in the rhino jumped out and killed a farseer and three crew because apparently wounds don't travel to those you can't see. Knight went on a rampage and killed everything in it's path including two units of grotesques, Uriah and a Succubus. Marines took out two Raiders, Onager turned around and blasted a unit of swooping hawks to bits before succumbing to two more units of hawks. All my Skitarii got wiped out, only thing I had left was the tech marine, half my marines and my knight on full HP who kept missing everything with his battle cannon. Basically feel like the weak part of my force is the Skitarii >.< I lost mostly because all the cards my opponent got were easy for him to achieve, I had stuff like deny the witch and capture objectives well far from me. Also I won the right to set up first and get the first turn but because I had a lord of war they got plus 1 and rolled a 5, so not only did I set up first I didn't get the first turn and was facing a super mobile Dark Eldar/Eldar force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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