jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 So, I decided I need a superheavy tank... looking through the options, there are plenty of awesome main weapons, etc. Then I see the Stormlord... 40 model transport capacity? Okay. So, the most realistic thing to do would be put in a metric ton of conscripts with a priest and my Ordo Xenos Inquisitor... and then it got me thinking "what else could you fit in there?" (from AM Codex anyway). So.. mild deathstar option.. bring the "Rampart Detachment" formation from Sanctus Reach -- two 5-man Bullgryn squads, kitted out for CC (30 transport spaces), plus the obligatory CCS.. 4 flamers i guess? That's another 5 spaces... give the Bullgryn's each a Priest and a OX Inquisitor with Rad Grenades to fill it up. (yes, multiple units can board a super-heavy transport). So, they can assault out of the expensive super-tank and have pretty much every special rule ever (off the top of my head that's zealot (hatred), fear, fearless, stubborn, counter-attack, -1 T to enemy, war hymns... probably some more I'm missing). That's two separate devastating charges of 5T/3W models with support... albiet for like 1000 pts. Okay... so yeah.. that's expensive and pretty crazy... which leads me to: Cyclops Demolition Vehicle -- so, you can take 3 per "squad"... they are technically "infantry," so they can ride in the Stormlord... they are "extremely bulky".. so that takes up 5 transpo spots per model, plus you have to have their "controller guy" within 48".. so probably throw him in the ride also. Or, maybe you put them in a "stolen" chimera and have them follow the giant tank? That would give you room for 8(!) of these suicidal suckers inside the Stormlord! They detonate themselves during the assault phase... the Stormlord is an assault vehicle... they can disembark and charge into nearby infantry and blow themselves up, doing the equivalent of a battlecannon shot each (large blast)! So... just drive big ass Stormlord towards enemy lines, shooting mega bolter cannon... disembarking one of your 8 suicide demolition charges as you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greycat Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I am pretty sure the stormlord is treated as an assault vehicle for the purposes of disembarking and you can't actually assault from it. Just means you can disembark from the front of the hull instead of access points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Stormlords say they are open topped for the purposes of embarking and disembarking.the BRB says that a unit disembarking from an open topped vehicle can assault the turn is disembarks.... and from any point in the hull? I think the qualifying factor is that it DOESN'T count as open topped when getting shot at (damage tables) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Genius! I may have to try this just for the lol. Maybe load up on inquisition melee units and see what happens.....even if it doesn't win you the game it'll be amazing fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You may put some engineseers with 3 servitors inside for auto repairing the stormlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Tell tale signs for when a Guard player first discovers the Stormlord ;) In short yes, the options are countless and as it's a super heavy they're viable too. The only real question is if the effectiveness is worth the points. Well, and if you have the models :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderPirate Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Are the big tanks not limited to moving 6" a turn - making it a bit naff as a delivery mechanism? Or am i getting confused with the Heavy Tank rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 it can go 12" -- but i believe units cannot disembark that turn if it does. so, first turn you go flat out, second turn you disembark... then you sit still and light up two diff targets with that unholy mega bolter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Maybe load up on inquisition melee units and see what happens Nothing: They may only transport units from Codex: Imperial Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 where is that rule? battle brothers can share transports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Battle BrothersUnits from the same army that are Battle Brothers treat each other as ‘friendly units’ forall rules purposes. This means, for example, that units:• Can benefit from the Warlord Trait of a Warlord that is a Battle Brother.• Can be joined by an Independent Character that is a Battle Brother.• Are counted as being friendly units for the targeting of Battle Brothers’ psychicpowers, abilities and so on.• Can use special abilities to repair Hull Points, Immobilised or Weapon Destroyedresults on Battle Brothers’ vehicles.• Can use modifiers and re-rolls that apply to Reserve Rolls that are granted by a BattleBrother’s model.• Can embark on each other’s Transport vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Median Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Plus since codex:imperial guard doesn't exist in the current system it won't be able to transport anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Stormlords are alright. If you're moving them up you're not using the gun to its full potential as you're only getting half the shots. Its real strength is in transporting HWTs for massed fire from inside, (as the number of fire points is less than the transport capacity, it's well-suited to Bulky models.) Alternatively, a counter-charge unit for engaging CC units threatening to close on it could be an expedient way to protect it. Guard don't tend to do CC incredibly effectively, but you could have a Guardsman blob with Priest and Primaris Psykers to wear stuff down. Maybe two Priests to really hammer those War Hymns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I guess it depends on what you deem to be "incredibly effective" -- do they wipe terminators off the table in one round? probably not.. but 40 conscripts with a priest, and a stubborn inquisitor will tarpit the hell out of some stuff (while doing quite a few wounds in the process)... effectively taking your cheap unit and taking their mega-deathstar out of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I regularly use 50 Conscripts with a Priest, so I'm well aware. However, the purpose of this thread is Deathstars, which a load of WS2 S3 models with no AP value and a 5+ Save definitely are not. Not sure why you want the Inquisitor in there, though, unless he's got cool wargear on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 stubborn & rad grenades (-1T to enemy 1st round of assault -- attacking or defending)... can bring psychotroke grenades as well.. has a list of random effects (D6), including unit auto-hits, enemy hits at I1, etc. I guess that was the main point... big knock against Bullgryn (if we're talking CC) is their low leadership and exorbitant cost.. i think they probably perform pretty well in combat (with a priest)... its just that they cost too damn much. Now, my Cyclops idea.. that was just for fun... 8-ish suicide bombers driving out of a bigger tank would be hilarious i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 AND people can shoot out of this friggin thing?? How many Grav Cents fit? 13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audemus Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You could be really saucy and allied attachment some D-99 Elysians to your main AM force and then fill the Stormlord with Executioner squads. (9 Elysian Drop Troops - Can replace lasguns with plasma or meltas) It would be more reliable than deep striking them in and if your enemy was bunched up you could drive that monstrosity in and watch their jaw drop as a wall of melta/plasma equipped veterans rushed in with the kill power to bring down whatever was needed. Throw in some drop sentinels deep striking in on the same turn with meltas attached and you could clean up the entire enemy force, assuming they were even mildly close together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caine 24th Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Consider the applications of Kurov's Aquila in it or in a nearby chimera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Consider the applications of Kurov's Aquila in it or in a nearby chimera. Wow.. yeah.. that like triples the size of the "bubble's" effective area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The only flaw in putting shooting units in it is the fire points are all Behind the gun, shooting out of the troop bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Wow, wow, wow, you guys don't consider conscripts a death star because they don't, for you, trample over terminators?!? Are your soldiers anemic? Do you not feed them? I've regularly had a mere 30 guys plus priest shock the hell out of the enemy by slaughtering a mere five terminators in a two or three rounds of close combat (i.e. soon enough to make the next charge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgfield79 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Wow, wow, wow, you guys don't consider conscripts a death star because they don't, for you, trample over terminators?!? Are your soldiers anemic? Do you not feed them? I've regularly had a mere 30 guys plus priest shock the hell out of the enemy by slaughtering a mere five terminators in a two or three rounds of close combat (i.e. soon enough to make the next charge.) See?? This is what i was looking for -- that get's my hopes up! So.. a "reasonable" list i came up with for my local area "competitive-yet-fun" meta (1850pts) HQ CCS - (pretty bare-bones... to give orders to blob) Priest Primaris Psyker (Prescience blob) Troop Infantry Platoon PCS w/ flamers (charge deterrent) 37x Conscripts (these go in Stormlord w/ Priest and Inq) 4x Squads (Autocannon, Flamer) [These guys bubble wrap my Wyverns] Melta Vets, Chimera Melta Vets, Chimera Heavy Supp Wyvern x2 Wyvern x2 LoW Stormlord Inquisitorial Detachment Ordo Xenos Inq (rad grenades, 3x servo skulls) Fortifications Aegis Defense Line (Icarus) Does this look feasible? I think it seems fun... drive the stormlord up... vomit out conscripts. Vets drive around and grab objs, nuke stuff.... wyverns do what wyverns do... blob shoots anything that gets close. What do you think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Or you may take 2x10 jokaero for fantastic laser show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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