Legatus Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Know No Fear - not good Betrayer - not good Unremembered Empire - not good Judged purely as sci-fi war stories, all of them would be "good". Dan and Aaron are both good writers. But as stories about the Warhammer 40,000 history they fail horribly. Know No Fear butchers the battle for calth story. Betrayer and Unremembered Empire follow up on that thread, and nothing described in either of those two novels ever happened in the original Horus Heresy story, where the Ultramarines had immediately sped to Terra after learning of the Heresy. But yeah, as sci-fi novels about some galactic conflict, where the participants just happen to have similar names to those of the 40K history, they are enjoyable enough to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Descent of Angels - good Legion - not finished, until now good Tales of Heresy - some good, some not so good A Thousand Sons - very good Fear to Tread - not finished, until now good Shadows of Treachery - very good Scars - very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Vengeful Spirit: Bad. The mission itself made no sense, and no overall plot made sense. Mortarion has gone way off the rails in a way that doesn't mesh with ATS or even Scars (where he's gone off the rails a bit). Also had too much 'Chaos wins because REASONS!'. I get it, it's magic, but you can't just bust it out that often. Exactly why the novellas and short story anthologies are just as important as the novels, and ignoring them, especially this past year, is just going to make people more and more confused. That is going to annoy me. A lot of the novellas and short stories aren't in formats I'm going to purchase right off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 LE and shorts are hit or miss. Some novellas - like Aurellian or Purge, and incoming Wolf King are pure gold. But some like Prom. Sun, Scoarched earth, Ravenlord etc. are simple fillers and fanservice with the price of full GoT series of books, lol. daveNYC mostly stick with the novels and try to ignore overpriced novellas and shorts, which are OVERPRICED and actually nothing more than fillers. Better just use Lexicanum - it's free and cheap, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Thousand Sons/ Prospero Burns - very good Fulgrim, Age of Darkness, first three Heresy books - very good First Heretic - very good Legion - very good Angel Exterminatus,V Spirit - very good, or should I say Mcneillishly brilliant Vulkan Lives - good Know no fear, - good Scars - good Fear to Tread - bad, really bad Betrayer - bad UE - bad That chapter where Curze chokes Lion and backstaber saves him - goooooood, fething good , best part - their verbal exchange CNF - Nemesis, DA stuff, Deathfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 DarthMarko - what CNF means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 DarthMarko - what [/size]CNF means? I'm guessing "could not finish" though it took me a bit :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 lol But actually DA, Fear to Thread and especially Deathfire are the most horrible books to date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 For me, it's Descent of Angels, Battle For the Abyss and False Gods (for what it failed to be), with Vulkan Lives and Outcast Dead not far behind. Fear to Tread I actually liked, and am re-reading at the moment too. Deathfire wasn't very good, but I didn't hate it either, it has it's moments/aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 DarthMarko - what CNF means? I picked that up from b1soul...I will add CNF/TRRH (could not finish, tried really, REALLY hard) lol But actually DA, Fear to Thread and especially Deathfire are the most horrible books to date Try the audio,*annoying voice* "Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives" yawn, yawn, "Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives" yawn "Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives", HE IS DEAD, "Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives""Vulkan lives" CNF; ABORT; ABORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Horus Rising: Very GoodFalse Gods: GoodGalaxy in Flames: BadFlight of the Eisenstein: BadFulgrim: Really badLegion: Very GoodA Thousand Sons: GoodFirst Heretic: Very GoodProspero Burns: Very GoodThe Outcast Dead: BadDeliverance Lost: BadKnow No Fear: Very GoodAngel Exterminatus: BadBetrayer: Very GoodUE: MixedScars: Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Galaxy in Flames: Bad? It was much better than Vulkan Lives, Deathfire and UE combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Horus rising good False gods good Galaxy in flames good Flight of the Eisenstein great Fulgrim great Mechanicum great Da books poor Furious abyss poor Legion amazing A thousand sons great Prospero burns great Deliverance lost really really bad Betrayer amazing Angel exterminatus good Know no fear amazing First heretic amazing Vengeful spirit very good Damnation of pythos good/ok Vulcan books terrible Assassin one poor Outcast dead/ wolf hunt good Garro books/audios good That's all I can remember in the Airport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Actually i long for a good novel like First Heretic, Horus Rising, Betrayer etc. It's long past time we got a novel of that quality. Last 6 HH novels were disappointing (АЕ,Vengeful Spirit; ) or fully horrible (Vulkan lives; Damnation of Pythos; Deathfire). It's like HH lost it's flavour. Aaron and Dan writes slowly and always busy. Schedule for the next HH releases are poor. Don't get me wrong - where would be Crimson King and Master of Mankind next. But what they will give HH except fan service? Webway war - ok? Empra and golden guys fighting daemons while Terra preparing for the Siege. And.... Nothing. Magnus bitching over his desisions and etc. Scars 2 probably will give something - after all we dont know about the WS road to Terra. Everything could have happened on that road. Sincerely i long for Horus reaching Terra at last. Everything good should come to an end, while it's good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 On the one hand I agree and on the other I disagree. Reason being is because in a way, we are getting exactly what we ask for. Everytime we're a story that provides background context, it gets reviewed as meaningless and unimportant. Look at Mortarion. In Scars, we wonder how he changed from hating the warp and everything to do with it to all of a sudden wanting to control it, in a vein similar to Magnus pre-Prospero. Daemonology shows that at Isstvan V, he learned that he had allied himself with the very thing he hated and as a result, his choices were to either let it control him like it controlled Lorgar or to learn to control it. And he choose to continue on the path because the daemon showed him that he had learned nothing yet and so, in his mind, he had more to learn and that's what he leads to his stance in Scars. Three years later in Vengeful Spirit, this translates to him sacrificing two Deathshrouds and some geneseed to help a daemon that will be under his control out of loyalty, to manifest. But Daemonolgy is a poorly received short story from the reviews I've read. And it is then called for more stories showing the battles of the Heresy, which then populate a whole plethora of short stories and novellas, which in return are poorly received because they're too short. But when you try to lengthen a short battle, you get Battle for the Abyss which suffered from being too long. I mean seriously, cut out three or four Chapters and it'd be degrees better. But then it would be poorly received because it was a novella and not a full blown novel. So to the writers, take your time. Give me background, not bolter porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Background is ok - but then it is not Vulkan Lives, Deathfire and Damnation of Pythos likes. Which are horrible! Plotwise and backgroundwise. I don't want to know what is going on with Shattered Legions while Kyme or Annandale writing them. Cause after their last books - i ate Wolf KIng in 1 hour. That's how hungry i was for a GOOD WRITTEN HH stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 ....I kind of like Nick Kymes work. I mean, Deathfire is garbage, but even in Talon of Horus, one of my favorite books, there are parts in it that are kind of.......ehhhhh. What i'm saying is: No ones perfect, i'd hesitate to call any writer that isn't C.S Goto bad. Then again I suppose i'm unusual in taste. I look at some of these posts that list Fulgrim as a bad book and tilt my head at them like they are written by some kind of weird alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Odd...I thought Demonology was a well-received short story Most ppl complained about Vengeful Spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 b1soul - and they still do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 And many of them haven't read Demonology... Or The Divine Adoratrice, or Little Horus, or listened to Garro's audio shorts. Pretty much all of which are needed to fill in the blanks in Vengeful Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I look at some of these posts that list Fulgrim as a bad book and tilt my head at them like they are written by some kind of weird alien. Glad I'm not the only fan of it :p Odd...I thought Demonology was a well-received short story Likewise. It certainly was for me at the least, I loved it, and now really want Wraight to do a DG novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 And many of them haven't read Demonology... Or The Divine Adoratrice, or Little Horus, or listened to Garro's audio shorts. Pretty much all of which are needed to fill in the blanks in Vengeful Spirit. I've read if listened to all of them and I loved vengeful spirit I really didn't 'get' a lot of the criticism levelled at it, but I suppose if people haven't read/listened to half the story it would make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 ....I kind of like Nick Kymes work. I mean, Deathfire is garbage, but even in Talon of Horus, one of my favorite books, there are parts in it that are kind of.......ehhhhh. What i'm saying is: No ones perfect, i'd hesitate to call any writer that isn't C.S Goto bad. Then again I suppose i'm unusual in taste. I look at some of these posts that list Fulgrim as a bad book and tilt my head at them like they are written by some kind of weird alien. I disagree with kyme the only book I've got through of his was deathfire, first half of the book was great, the second worse than Vulcan lives, which was awful. I've tried reading his other salamander stuff and it just doesn't engage me, it's worse than bad, Gav Thorpe is bad but I'll read his books either because elements amuse me or the I arching theme or story is interesting (such as his DA trilogy) kyme is just meh. As to Fulgrim it's one of the best books in the series, the deteriation or transformation of the legion depending on your view point is expressed excellently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I don't think I dislike Nick Kyme's stuff as much as most seem to...but yeah, I don't deny his work isn't the best. Feat of Iron is probably the only one I'd say I thought of as actually "good", the rest ranges between passable and weak. I'd mind it even less if someone else would try something substantial with the Salamanders in the HH. Guy Haley has done a few shorts with them, which have been good, but it's almost all just Kyme. I'd like to see someone else have a go. Same thing with the Raven Guard: almost everything is Gav Thorpe's, I want to see someone else try their hand at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Horus Rising: GreatFalse Gods: GoodGalaxy in Flames: GreatFlight of the Eisenstein: unreadFulgrim: MehDescent: unreadLegion: GoodAbyss: unreadMechanicum: UnreadFallen Angels: UnreadA Thousand Sons: GoodNemesis: NG (could not finish)First Heretic: GoodProspero Burns: GoodThe Outcast Dead: NunreadDeliverance Lost: unreadKnow No Fear: INCREDIBLEFear to Tread: unreadAngel Exterminatus: unreadBetrayer: GoodVulkan Lives: umUE: GoodScars: GoodVengeful: OK but many cringe worthy momentsPythos: UnreadDeathfire: Unread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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