Erenarch Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hi. Whats your speculation about reverse heraldry of pre-heresy Imperial Fists (not Templar Brothers) in Line Companys? Is it black of honour or may be shame, disgrace? And what reasons can be for those honour/disgrace? Example: A Pre-Heresy Imperial Fists Legion Assault Squad Astartes; note that this Legionary is wearing the predominately black heraldry of a veteran of the catastrophe of the War of the Howling Gyer, as well as the Great Crusade Veteran's Cross; the symbol on his chest armour marks his unit as serving in fortress defence, the lightning bolts indicating its participation in the Terran Unification Wars http://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/thumbs/2015/10/aefa1d68c4030e06a56215b22c652f0d.pnghttp://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/thumbs/2015/10/b5991af92fb1c8cae5a80634039396ae.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 it's mentioned in the FW heresy books (from where the artworks are) that these are a mark of honour^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It's a veteran color scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Its right there in the Example you're quoting as to why they are wearing Predominantly Black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 "for the Great Crusade, for the grateful Imperium; Honor in Blood, We present to you this Veteran's cross." I shouldn't play company of heroes this late. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Also years back when the current Land Raider version came out for 40K, in the poster they did a reverse colour scheme, but stated it was due to the IF fighting on a night world or some such... So no, the reverse colours are not a sign of censure. Besides the "You're dead to me" speech and being ignored, I would imagine, demotion and being stripped of all honours would be Dorn's way. Maybe sent to a destroyer cadre or something? "Dorn may not like you, but you still bear his gene-seed & his blood still pumps in your veins. For all his anger Lord Dorn is a pragmatist. He knows full well he need every man on those walls when the time comes. It is why he has sent me here, not with a sentence of death, but with a chance to prove yourself. Sergeant Erenarch, You have been charged with X and been found guilty. By the power given to me by Lord Dorn, I demote you down to trooper, furthermore all titles, awards & achievements have been struck from the legions from our honour rolls. You are now a ghost now, a revenant to the Imperial Fists.... You are hereby ordered to join the ranks of Captain Kriegriss' Company where you will join the destroyer cadre to act as a reserve & carry the fight to the enemy where he sees fit. If you fight well enough or die with honour may you be restored to us as a brother, if nothing else" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 "Dorn may not like you, but you still bear his gene-seed & his blood still pumps in your veins. For all his anger Lord Dorn is a pragmatist. He knows full well he need every man on those walls when the time comes. It is why he has sent me here, not with a sentence of death, but with a chance to prove yourself. Sergeant Erenarch, You have been charged with X and been found guilty. By the power given to me by Lord Dorn, I demote you down to trooper, furthermore all titles, awards & achievements have been struck from the legions from our honour rolls. You are now a ghost now, a revenant to the Imperial Fists.... You are hereby ordered to join the ranks of Captain Kriegriss' Company where you will join the destroyer cadre to act as a reserve & carry the fight to the enemy where he sees fit. If you fight well enough or die with honour may you be restored to us as a brother, if nothing else" or in other words, we don't execute you, we give you cancer ^^ but you are allowed to wear black, so not all is lost! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Nah, they do not get to wear black, its just where the radiation has burnt the paint back to bare ceramite :) Besides it is an execution, just on that is very slow and you still get to serve your legion, double win for Dorn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Nah, they do not get to wear black, its just where the radiation has burnt the paint back to bare ceramite Besides it is an execution, just on that is very slow and you still get to serve your legion, double win for Dorn. yeah but i think it's mentioned that some of the ... prettier legions painted their destroyer armour black from begin to make it less ugly xD but not all is lost >.> <.< >.> atleast they can give you a hug full of radiation :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yep, get destroyer hugs, then start to feel all warm and tingly :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4194652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erenarch Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 What you think the whole IF company can wear black? Or just company individuals, such as veterans, chaplains, heroes, etc? And isn't Rogal Dorn calling other colours (exept heraldry gold) coward colours? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erenarch Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Nah, they do not get to wear black, its just where the radiation has burnt the paint back to bare ceramite Besides it is an execution, just on that is very slow and you still get to serve your legion, double win for Dorn. Isn't bare ceramite is gray? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 @Erenarch- I think it's silver(IIRC the Grey Knights wear unpainted power armour & that's silver) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 What you think the whole IF company can wear black? Or just company individuals, such as veterans, chaplains, heroes, etc? And isn't Rogal Dorn calling other colours (exept heraldry gold) coward colours? Im painting up my company as wearing entirely black Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I think the OP was getting at the black been specifically linked to the "catastrophe of the war of the howling gyer". As opposed to veterans of the IF at large. Makes you think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 With the Templar Painted by FW being Mostly Black, I don't think thats 100% the Case. In the same vein, the Black Terminators blurb does not mention the Howling Gyre either. His is Stated to being his Companies Particular Heraldry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4196477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erenarch Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 What you think the whole IF company can wear black? Or just company individuals, such as veterans, chaplains, heroes, etc? And isn't Rogal Dorn calling other colours (exept heraldry gold) coward colours? Im painting up my company as wearing entirely black and what's your background explanation for that? just interesting ))) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4197921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erenarch Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 With the Templar Painted by FW being Mostly Black, I don't think thats 100% the Case. In the same vein, the Black Terminators blurb does not mention the Howling Gyre either. His is Stated to being his Companies Particular Heraldry. yeh, and there is no explanation for this in book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4197927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Its so that its left open ended for you to create your own reasons as to why they are in black heraldry. One example has it as a veteran honor. The other as a standard company heraldy colors. Ie: do what you think looks cool not everything needs to be detailed in absolutes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4197991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Its so that its left open ended for you to create your own reasons as to why they are in black heraldry. One example has it as a veteran honor. The other as a standard company heraldy colors. Ie: do what you think looks cool not everything needs to be detailed in absolutes. exactly that - FW gave us a lot of freedom, we should use it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314767-reverse-heraldry-of-pre-heresy-imperial-fists/#findComment-4197993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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