Let's Make the Best List Out of the New Set

[Son of Carnelian]

Brothers and sisters! With the advent of the new box set, Betrayal at Calth, I think we should crunch some numbers about the best list someone could make out of the set. I present my first attempt below:

 

Rite of War: Pride of the Legion

 

HQ:

 

Legion Praetor - Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Chainfist, Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers: 172 points 

 

Legion Centurion - Chaplain, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Artificer Armor: 135 points 

 

Troops:

 

Legion Terminator Squad (x5) - Pair of Lightning Claws, Heavy Flamer, Chainfist, x3 Power Fists: 225 points

 

Legion Tactical Squad (x20) - Power Fist, Artificer Armor, Legion Vexilla: 285 points

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (x10) - Sniper, Power Fist, Artificer Armor, Heavy Bolter w/ Suspensor Web, Missile Launcher w/ Suspensor Web and Flakk Missiles, Legion Vexilla: 315 points 

 

Elites: 

 

Contemptor Dreadnought - Heavy Flamer, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon: 200 points

 

 

TOTAL POINTS: 1332 points 

 

What do you guys think? Got a better idea for a list using just the contents of the box? 

 

 

 

 

[Caillum]

Well, given you probably get 3 missile launchers and 3 heavy bolters, I'd double them up on your Vets. Thus, Imperial Fists will suit this list pretty well! :)

[Charlo]

Could even go pride and make it 3 units of vets. Sprinkle in some bits box love for power weapon to make an assaulty unit for the chappy to accompany.

 

Adding in a LR or two and perhaps a Primarch could round it up to the 2500 mark.

[Slips]

Yeah, I'd also go with 3 Tac Vet Squads.

 

The Kit also comes with Melta Guns and the like so you can gear one up as a Melta Bomb'd and Melta Gun'd Tank Hunting Unit.

 

Another as A Missile Launcher Squad with a Rule of your Choice and the last as a Sniper Dual Heavy Bolter Squad.

 

That is, if there are 3x the 10 man Tac Sprue we saw with all the various weapon options. Because that gives you:

• 3 Heavy bolters
• 3 Plasma guns
• 3 Missile Launchers
• 3 Melta Guns
• 3 Combi-Weapons
• 3 Flamers sadly not Heavy meaning you can do the Dual Sniper Heavy Flamer Trick.

I do find it odd that the kit has no Power Axe or Maul only having FW Style Lightning Claw / Power Fist (you glue the claws onto the fist), Power Sword and Chainsword.

But, I will gladly welcome Left and Right Handed power fists.

[Caillum]

It's a great deal - at least £300 worth of FW-equivalent models for £100 or so. And 3x10 Veterans and 1x5 Cataphractii is a good idea I think. Won't give up the Pride of the Legion VP as easily that way.

 

I think the next thing to figure out is what to buy to add to this. Buying 2 kits is probably not ideal, so I would go for some armour, like the set of 3 Deimos Rhinos for the Veterans. A proper Tank too. Can get it to 2k very easily!

 

Depending on your friends' needs, swapping the Contemptor for more Cataphractii might be an option, or vice versa.

[Lunar Centurion]

B/c we've got so many bolters, why not do IF/IW? They do great with shooting.

IH also could work, b/c the box has no tanks, and they're great footsloggers.

 

And btw, two modelling questions.

1. Does the vet sprue have snipers?

2. Do you glue on each claw? Cuz if it's gonna be a pain

[Brother Dallo]

Lunar Centurion, the comment about snipers is in reference to the veterans special rules. They can get one special rule per squad from a chosen list, such as fearless or the sniper rule. It's pretty good as your bolters have the potential to rend, and always wound on a fixed value.

 

So just to clarify, no the tactical/vet sprues don't come with sniper rifles.

 

Dallo

[Caillum]

Why don't we make this a 2k list challenge and see what people can do with it? You gotta use all but 1 of the units in the box. I'll start with Night Lords!

 

HQ

Chaplain: artificer armour; bolt pistol; melta bombs; refractor field; Trophies of Judgement; jump pack 135

 

TROOPS

9 Terror Squad Executioners: 9× Volkite charger; + 1 Headsman (artificer armour; power weapon; Volkite charger; melta bombs) 275

9 Terror Squad Executioners: 9× Volkite charger; + 1 Headsman (artificer armour; power weapon; Volkite charger; melta bombs) 275

9 Terror Squad Executioners: 9× Volkite charger; + 1 Headsman (artificer armour; power weapon; Volkite charger; melta bombs) 275

 

ELITES

4 Terminators: Cataphractii armour; 4× combi-bolter; 4× chainfist; Teleportation Transponder; + 1 Terminator Sergeant (combi-bolter; chainfist) 240

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon

• Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres pattern assault cannon 190

 

FAST ATTACK

4 Night Raptors: 4× chainsword; + 1 Huntmaster (artificer armour; bolt pistol; Nostraman chainglaive; melta bombs) 175

 

HEAVY SUPPORT

Konrad Curze: Terror Assault

 

2,000 points

 

Not taking the Praetor. Need a jump pack for the Chaplain, Curze, 5 Night Raptors and 30 Volkite chargers. Still have my 1 Heavy Support slot for something tasty. :)

[ThatOneMarshal]

Does the new box come with volutes? I thought that since it was also to be used for 40k that they didn't give any 30k specific wargear.

 

Also is your rule that we have to use everything from the box set except for one thing? If that the case then those raptors and our primary are a no no.

 

Edit: otherwise a good list

[Caillum]

Yeah, the Volkites I would have to buy (and put hands onto them as they're modelled on the bolters). As for the list, it's got little anti-tank, but it'll be fun. :)

 

I've used every model except the Praetor (1 choice), so not sure what you mean? And what's a Primary? And you can add as much as you need to (or you'll never reach 2k).

[Son of Carnelian]

Does the new box come with volutes? I thought that since it was also to be used for 40k that they didn't give any 30k specific wargear.

 

Also is your rule that we have to use everything from the box set except for one thing? If that the case then those raptors and our primary are a no no.

 

Edit: otherwise a good list

 

My "rule" was just the models provided with the box. That means 30 base Marine bodies, 1 Contemptor with either Melta or Assault Cannon, 5 Terminators, and two HQ choices with those wargear loadouts.

[Slips]

Alright then:

HQ:

Praetor: Cataphractii, Chain Fist, Combi-Melta. If you're not afraid to carve up the Chain Fist I'd turn it into a Form of Bladed weapon to represent a Paragon Blade.

• Pride of the Legion

Centurion: Chaplain, Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Void-Shield Harness Relic (its a non-weapon relic meaning you can get away with not modelling it ) Attach to a CC TDA squad or the below CC Vet Squad. Otherwise dont bother.

Troops:

TacVet Squad: 10 Men, 2 Melta Guns, Squadwide Melta Bombs, Vexilla, Tank Hunter USR, Sarge with Artificer Armor Power Fist

TacVet Squad: 10 Men, 2 Missile Launchers, Vexilla, Choice of: Fearless, Outflank, Sniper, Tank Hunters USR, Sarge with Artificer Armor and Power Fist

TacVet Squad: 10 Men, 2 Heavy Bolters w/ Suspensor Web, Vexilla, Sniper USR, Sarge with Artificer Armor and Power Fist

• Spread Spare Power Weapons to taste, I guess. If you've got Spare Heavy Flamers lying around Consider:
  • 10 men, 2 Heavy Flamers, Vexilla, Sniper USR, Sarge with Artificer Armor and Power Fist
• If you have Spare Power Weapons (we all do, don't lie) consider:
  • 10 Men, 10 Power Weapons (Axe, Maul, Sword), Vexilla, Squad Wide Melta Bombs, Furious Charge USR, Sarge with Artificer Armor and Power Fist

Terminator Squad: Choose one

Note: the Tac Sprue has Combi-Weapon Components at the bottom: http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_10492/med_gallery_79873_10492_156832.jpg Meaning with 3 Sprues you have 3 Combi-Melta/Flamer/Plasma

• 5 men, Cataphractii, 5 Chain Fists, 3 Combi-Melta (Anti-Tank)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 Power Fist, 3 Combi-Plasma (Anti-TEQ)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 LC, 3 Combi-Flamers, 1 Heavy Flamer, Grenade Harness on Sarge (Anti-Infantry/Hordes with Shooting)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 LC Pairs, Grenade Harness on Sarge (Full Melee Anti-Infantry) Feel Free to Swap 1 LC for a Heavy Flamer Here.

Elites:

Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres Assault Cannon, Power Fist w/ either Heavy Flamer, Graviton Gun or Plasma Blaster (no-one really checks inside the hand for the right gun and if you do...for shame.)

[1ncarnadine]

I'm a little surprised no one's come up with an Iron Warriors Zone Mortalis list out of this box starring Erasmus Golg :P The Cataphractii Praetor has the perfect equipment set to be run as Golg after all.

 

You can even use the Heavy Weapons included in the MkIV sprue to make counts-as Iron Havocs, or add cyclone missile launchers to the Cataphractii to make Tyrant Siege Terminators... it's pretty perfect.

[Caillum]

I'm a little surprised no one's come up with an Iron Warriors Zone Mortalis list out of this box starring Erasmus Golg :P The Cataphractii Praetor has the perfect equipment set to be run as Golg after all.

 

You can even use the Heavy Weapons included in the MkIV sprue to make counts-as Iron Havocs, or add cyclone missile launchers to the Cataphractii to make Tyrant Siege Terminators... it's pretty perfect.

#facepalm

This is pretty much perfect for Iron Warriors! Golg, Termis, even Mark IV armour was quite prevalent in their Legion! :)

[Charlo]

Trying to work this around death Guard... Will post results later. Want to do reaping but Pride is the best option it seems.

[Lord Blackwood]

Alright then:

 

 

Terminator Squad: Choose one

Note: the Tac Sprue has Combi-Weapon Components at the bottom: http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_10492/med_gallery_79873_10492_156832.jpg Meaning with 3 Sprues you have 3 Combi-Melta/Flamer/Plasma

• 5 men, Cataphractii, 5 Chain Fists, 3 Combi-Melta (Anti-Tank)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 Power Fist, 3 Combi-Plasma (Anti-TEQ)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 LC, 3 Combi-Flamers, 1 Heavy Flamer, Grenade Harness on Sarge (Anti-Infantry/Hordes with Shooting)
• 5 Men, Cataphractii, 5 LC Pairs, Grenade Harness on Sarge (Full Melee Anti-Infantry) Feel Free to Swap 1 LC for a Heavy Flamer Here.

Elites:

Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres Assault Cannon, Power Fist w/ either Heavy Flamer, Graviton Gun or Plasma Blaster (no-one really checks inside the hand for the right gun and if you do...for shame.)

If I have  A group of terminators with 3 power fists 1 chainfist  combi weapons and an autocannon which of the  terminator set ups do I use to add to that unit

[Dantay VI]

I have a bunch of drum fed heavy bolters feft over from vehicle sponsons. Would they be easy to convert up to make a unit of say 5 or so HB guys along with those in the box? 

[Canadian_F_H]

Well... 30 power armor marines with specials and heavy weapons plus a dreadnaught, chaplain and captain makes a pretty good start to a gladius in 40k... Lol

 

Interesting reads guys, still don't know what most of this 30k stuff means, maybe if I find the books cheap used...

[Slips]

@blade: I'd go for power fists and add a second autocannon if you could.

[Black Cohort]

I am looking to run Salamanders Pride of the Legion based mostly off this box.  I have a bunch of spare weapon options for both ranged and melee, so squad upgrades aren't limited to what is in the box.

[Charlo]

DG Pride list using the starter set and some transports plus the terminators I have in my collection. Not too much big guns, but plenty of scoring tough bodies and target saturation... Thoughts?

 

Only worry is the normal terms at the moment. Theyre basically a scoring mobile auto cannon (and Choom for fun). Plus anti tank is a little low, but that's what Melta bombs are for!

 

+++ DG Starter (2499pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2499pts) ++

 

+ HQ (415pts) +

 

Deathshroud Terminator Squad (415pts) [3x Deathshroud Terminators, Melta Bombs]

····Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite]

 

+ Troops (1229pts) +

 

Legion Terminator Squad (204pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Reaper Autocannon, 2x Volkite Charger]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (355pts) [Chem-munitions, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, 2x Missile Launcher and Suspensor Web, Tank Hunters]

····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Deathshroud Power Scythe]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (335pts) [Chem-munitions, 2x Heavy Flamer, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, Sniper]

····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Deathshroud Power Scythe]

 

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (335pts) [Chem-munitions, 2x Heavy Flamer, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, Sniper]

····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon, Deathshroud Power Scythe]

 

+ Heavy Support (430pts) +

 

Grave Warden Terminator Squad (430pts) [2x Chainfist, 4x Grave Warden Terminator]

····Land Raider Proteus [Armoured Ceramite]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [XIV: Death Guard]

 

+ Lord of War (425pts) +

 

Mortarion the Reaper (425pts)

····Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion]

[Dantay VI]

Some of these are really cool, but trying to work out how to make it mesh with an existing army as well as a stand alone force.

 

I have a Sicaran, a predator executioner, a Scorpius all vying for Heavy slot along with a Fire Raptor. I also have a Spartan t use as dedicated transport

 

I have a 20 man assault squad, a 10 man breacher squad & a 5 man recon squad with sniper rifles.

 

I als have 5, 5 man Terminator squads of varying armament

 

I also have a few different praetors.

 

Would I be best suited going for a 10 man Veteran squad, or 2 5 man squads & a 20 man tactical squad (or 2, 10 man tactical squads), then use the 5 man cataphract squad to bolster 1 up to 10 men, or just arm them differently?

 

I was considering to use the chaplain to make a vigilator.

 

Any tips?

[Lockark]

A night lords terror assault list would make great use of the box I feel. You would need some fw upgrade kits but able to keep mostly plastic and use the whole hobby boffolo of the box.

 

Also night lord termies can tp.

[Viridia]

I don't know about one box, but I managed to make a 2000 point list using two boxes if that's alright.

 

Legion - Night Lords

Rite of War - None

 

HQ:

Legion Praetor - Cataphractii Armour, Combi-Bolter, Chainfist, Digital Weapons, Master-Crafted Weapon, Teleportation Transponder, Trophies of Judgement - 195 points

 

Troops:

Tactical Squad (x20) - Melta-Bombs - 255 points

 

Tactical Squad (x20) - Melta-Bombs - 255 points

 

Elites:

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - 365 points

- Contemptor Dreadnought - DCCW, Combi-Bolter, Kheres Assault Cannon - 190 points

- Contemptor Dreadnought - DCCW, Combi-Bolter, Multi-Melta - 175 points

 

Legion Terminator Squad (x10) - Cataphracti Armour, Combi-Bolter (9x), Heavy Flamer (1x), Powerfists (3x), Chainfist (1x), Power Weapons (6x), Grenade Harness, Teleportation Transponder - 385 points

 

Legion Veteran Squad (x6) - Power Weapon (1x), Plasma Pistol (1x), Furious Charge - 180 points

 

Legion Veteran Squad (x6) - Power Weapon (1x), Plasma Pistol (1x), Furious Charge - 180 points

 

Heavy Support:

Legion Heavy Support Squad (x5) - Missile Launcher (x5)

 

Total - 2000 points

 

It's a bit of an oddball list. I originally had flakk missiles on the heavy support squad, but then I reasoned that I'd rather have deep strike on the termies and some anti-tank on the tactical squads.

[God-Potato of Mankind]

I'm struggling to create a list with just one box. Two boxes is perfect, as it yields 60 tacticools which is perfect for a World Eaters army.

 

However the lack of any vehicles is not ideal, but I got the 2k list here:

 

HQ

Praetor with Cataphractii & MC Paragon Blade/Digilasers (Beserker Assault)

Legion Champion with Artificer Armour & Thunder Hammer (To be converted from Chaplain)

 

Troops

20x Tacticools with Extra CCW & PFist/AA Sarge

20x Tacticools with Extra CCW & PFist/AA Sarge

20x Tacticools with Extra CCW & PFist/AA Sarge

 

Elites

Mortis-Temptor - Two Kheres AC (Hopefully a Mortis can be easily kitbashed)

5x Cataphractii with 2x Chainfist 3x Power Fist in a Phobos with AC, Extra Armour & Pintle Multi-Melta (

 

Total: 2k

 

Fluffy goodness.

 

Now what I am thinking now is alternatives.

 

Two CC dreadnoughts (how kitbashable are the dreads? I'd love to have 2x Dual CCW temptors w/grav!) with AC or MM

5 Catas, but their role is muddled. I can't get them transport with both dreads, so I give them an autocannon and their role is to pour firepower...but they're slow. Not sure. So this is inflexible as an option, but allows me to run BOX only, whereas the 'ok' option requires Land Raider investment which is another 45 odd quid!

 

Thoughts?