Plasma-freak Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I like the idea of turning vindis into tank hunters but my question is: how do they match up to Laser Destroyer Rapiers, Venators and HSS? Cheers -Freak Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Single Tank at sub 150 points that can dish out 3 S9 Ap1 Ordnance shots at 48" a Turn. You tell me? No, but really, for its price its hard to beat. You get more shots out of a 5-10 man Lascannon HSS squad but pay double-to-triple the cost for more MEQ bodies which can easily be erased and their effectiveness neutered. Venators are only truly awesome vs a Super-heavy since they force Snap Shots on Pens. Rapiers are better off being Thudd or Grav no real contest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I can't seem to find stats for the laser destroyer array that gives it 3 shots? In fact, I can't find the "array" in my red book at all, just stats for a laser destroyer which has a single shot. I do have stats for a "laser destroyer array" from the Vraks book, but it's the same single S9 ordnance shot of the rapier, except it's AP2 instead of AP1. Anyway, as someone who used laser destroyer rapiers quite a bit with renegades, I'm a fan of the weapon. It gets a re-roll to hit and to penetrate, is S9, and gets +2 on the damage table. Pretty solid tank hunter, and it's the cheapest upgrade. The grav and thudd guns very much outshine them, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Use the PDF on Forgeworld or Book 5 Tempest. those are the most up-to-date versions. Found here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Deimos_Vindicator_Laser_Destroyer.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 The laser tank is pretty good and basically an alternative option to taking 3 laser destroyer rapiers, especially if your group plays using their recent 48" stealth buff. You essentially sacrifice survivability for mobility and an armour value for about the same points (which is a fair trade, some lists do better with one or the other). I can't seem to find stats for the laser destroyer array that gives it 3 shots? In fact, I can't find the "array" in my red book at all. I do have stats for it from the Vraks book, which is the same single S9 ordnance shot of the rapier, except it's AP2 instead of AP1. The rules are in a PDF, but you aren't wrong, FW has been very poor about keeping these weapon profiles consistent. It's been AP2 vs AP1 or 36" vs 48" for a number of books now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I mean, first of all, it looks awesome. I mean, at least 10x as awesome as the rapier laser destroyer. So, there's that. Secondly, there's the fact that it's a lot more mobile than an artillery platform. Depending on your playstyle, that can be a huge advantage. Personally, I can't stand static emplacements. I get bored with models that just sit there and shoot, even if they're technically "better." On the other hand, if artillery is your thing, you probably want the rapier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Oh, neat! I like it. The only reason not to take it is then is because you have only 3 slots and tons of awesome options. Decisions are hard! :P @ElectricPaladin, I don't know about more mobile. It needs to give up movement to get the extra shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volth Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Is it possible to unload a vehicle from a Thunderhawk Transporter without moving it? ...yes, I am desperate making use of it. It is like the coolest and most useless thing of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Aside from how wicked cool they look I'd have to agree with everything slips said. 150pts for 3 S9 AP1 shots is hard to argue with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 It is like the coolest and most useless thing of the heresy. Errr, no? It has extreme value that's only contested by it being a single tank taking up a Heavy slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 It is like the coolest and most useless thing of the heresy. Errr, no? It has extreme value that's only contested by it being a single tank taking up a Heavy slot He meant the Thunderhawk Transporter, I think :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I vehemently protest it not being squadable >:( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Yea, but it would be ridiculous, like if they made the scorpius squadable. Realistically though, unless there's blasts, then it can become overkill as you have to shoot everything at one target; Dread Talon's are super good because its just 3 for the cost of one slot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I vehemently protest it not being squadable >:( Squaddable Split fire. *hannibal shiver sound* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4226852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I vehemently protest it not being squadable >:(Squaddable Split fire. *hannibal shiver sound* Eeeeeeeeeeee <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I own two Laser Vindicators. They are fantastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volth Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It is like the coolest and most useless thing of the heresy. Errr, no? It has extreme value that's only contested by it being a single tank taking up a Heavy slot He meant the Thunderhawk Transporter, I think Indeed. Two overcharge-firing Laser Vindicators on the drop would make a Thunderhawk worth it. Still at 715 points. But "..any vehicles it carries may move away from it instead" means there is definitely movement involved in disembarkment. Damn. Damn.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Pew pew pew, goes the vindi, and boom boom boom got vehicle squadrons and contemptors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! You forgot RNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGNNNGGG for the chainsword :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! You forgot RNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGNNNGGG for the chainsword Too true, too true. Pew, Choom, Voosh, Dakka, and Rnnnnnng! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Biff! Wallop! Kapow! Nutted! Bottled! Slaaaashed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Nah, the Krios Venator is the master of pew. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! You forgot RNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGNNNGGG for the chainsword Too true, too true. Pew, Choom, Voosh, Dakka, and Rnnnnnng! But... what does the GRAV say?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316121-laser-vindis-worth-it/#findComment-4227761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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