ElectricPaladin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! You forgot RNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGNNNGGG for the chainsword Too true, too true. Pew, Choom, Voosh, Dakka, and Rnnnnnng! But... what does the GRAV say?! "Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Aye, it taking up a heavy slot by itself is so Damn annoying. But it truly is the master of PEW. Pew, Choom, Voosh, and Dakka - the sacred quartet of war! You forgot RNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGNNNGGG for the chainsword Too true, too true. Pew, Choom, Voosh, Dakka, and Rnnnnnng! But... what does the GRAV say?! "Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding! Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" You kid, but it was such a curious thing, Polish guys actually made it a song when gravs came out: http://w109.wrzuta.pl/audio/2PANY5GD72x/jak_robi_grav_gun_v2_uber_xp_2013_lol_1 :v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Sweet Emperor! That is so funny :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think I'm going to share this with the greater audience of the Forum :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Please excuse my ignorance but why volkite weapons are: "choom"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I love my laser vindi, alongside the scorpius they're bargains and kill far more than their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Please excuse my ignorance but why volkite weapons are: "choom"? Because Olis and the rest of the Martian Death Ray Club say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 There's a quote from ADB in that thread where he says he's making volkite go choose in his next book, much like he made lascannons go freem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Please excuse my ignorance but why volkite weapons are: "choom"? Because Olis and the rest of the Martian Death Ray Club say so. There's a quote from ADB in that thread where he says he's making volkite go choose in his next book, much like he made lascannons go freem Hm. In "Templar" audiobook one of the charcters (Hipocratia? is that correct?) had "a pair of chromed serpenta pistols". And when fired the sound was actually like: bzzzzzzzzzzzt :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 ++ Hilarious, yes, but back onto Las-vindicators. Please and thanks. ++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It appears there is a general assumption that Diemos Pattern Vindicators, or DPVs, are an auto include in legion lists. I shall contest this claim on the grounds that various legion strategies and tactics are so numerous as to immediately disprove the statement. I will refer to what I know: The Sons of Horus whose strategy relies upon hard hitting units striking exactly where they need to. The Diemos Pattern Vindicator fits into this strategy extremely well when included with Horus in a Black Reaving detachment thanks to its cost. But it lacks the necessary speed to maintain synergy with the rest of the army. I submit that a Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer is better suited for the task due to its speed and heavier armor. Outflanking into an enemy line will almost guarantee the enemy's undivided attention. Both the Venator and Diemos will receive this reaction, however the Venator remains effective while mobile unlike it's vindicator cousin. For the Sons of Horus, who excel at deploying many hard hitting units in a small space. What is your opponent going to shoot at when you've a minimum squad of Justaerin armed with chainfists teleporting next to his artillery, while a Venator Outflanks into range of his Typhon, which is also being targeted by a pair of Lightnings with Kraken Penatrator missiles?An example list at 4000pts:DamoclesMaster of the signalCenturion - Cataphractii Armor - Chain Fist - Combi BolterJustaerin Terminator Squad (3) x3 Chain Fists + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw DroppodJustaerin Terminator Squad (3) x3 Chain Fists + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw DroppodReaver Attack Squad (10) x5 Chain Axe - x3 Power Weapon - x2 Flamer - 1 Handflamer - Meltabombs + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Droppod Reaver Attack Squad (10) x5 Chain Axe - x3 Power Weapon - x2 Flamer - 1 Handflamer - Meltabombs + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Droppod Reaver Attack Squad (10) x5 Chain Axe - x3 Power Weapon - x2 Flamer - 1 Handflamer - Meltabombs + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Droppod Terminator Squad - (10) x6 Thunder hammers - x4 Power Axe - x2 Plasma BlasterPrimaris Lightning Strike Fighter - x2 Twin-linked Autocannon - Battle Servitor Controls Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter - x2 Twin-linked Autocannon - Battle Servitor Controls Primaris Lightning Strike Fighter - x2 Twin-linked Autocannon - Battle Servitor Controls Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer - Armored Ceramite - Dozer BladeSicaran Venator Tank Destroyer - Armored Ceramite - Dozer BladeHorus The Warmaster Total: 4000ptsThe list is far too mobile for a Diemos to maintain cohesion without reducing its effectiveness, and remaining static will obligate some support to remain nearby. This weakens the total assault and slows it down. Meanwhile, the Venator can stay near the dreadclaws and continue to unleash hate towards the foe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Not neccessarily, you can take machine spirit on on the vindi, enabling it to be able to redeploy within 12" and still fire at full bs. This can get you into some great positions. It depends what type of army you are going for. But my personal experience with it is it hammers things all the time. And then im shooting at infantry after I have killed all the armour. Also 4k is pretty much apoc territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I also don't consider speed to be a great necessity considering you have a 48" range. With proper deployment you can hit just about everything on a 4x6 that doesn't have an obstructed LoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Well yea, in a high points game the venator is way better as it can deal with super heavies so the one/slot isn't inefficient. The vindicator is the same as a scorpius; both the absolute best for one HS slot in ~2000 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not neccessarily, you can take machine spirit on on the vindi, enabling it to be able to redeploy within 12" and still fire at full bs. This can get you into some great positions. It depends what type of army you are going for. But my personal experience with it is it hammers things all the time. And then im shooting at infantry after I have killed all the armour. Also 4k is pretty much apoc territory. I consider 2.5k and up standard 30k. Much of the negative opinion regarding various 30k units is specific to their points cost in 2k and lower points games. Yet it is clear the designers are encouraging their players to push for higher point games, hence the high point level of my list. Take a look for yourself. Even Justaerin become viable when deployed in large point games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 19, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 19, 2015 - No reason given I wouldn't call that list viable at 4000 points. Link to comment
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not neccessarily, you can take machine spirit on on the vindi, enabling it to be able to redeploy within 12" and still fire at full bs. This can get you into some great positions. It depends what type of army you are going for. But my personal experience with it is it hammers things all the time. And then im shooting at infantry after I have killed all the armour. Also 4k is pretty much apoc territory. I consider 2.5k and up standard 30k. Yet the designers say 1750 is the minimum, so there's some disconnect here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not neccessarily, you can take machine spirit on on the vindi, enabling it to be able to redeploy within 12" and still fire at full bs. This can get you into some great positions. It depends what type of army you are going for. But my personal experience with it is it hammers things all the time. And then im shooting at infantry after I have killed all the armour. Also 4k is pretty much apoc territory. I consider 2.5k and up standard 30k. Yet the designers say 1750 is the minimum, so there's some disconnect here Its the Recommended Minimum. IIRC, the recommended standard for them is roughly in the 3k Range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 In LACAL it simply says 1750-3500, while in Tempest it repeats that and then adds that 2000-2500 takes around 2-3 hours, so we can use that as the standard. Calling anything above 2500 the "standard" of 3k is far too broad of a statement, while his 4k list passes the devs FOC threshold and is solidly in Apoc territory where you're playing normal 40k again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 his 4k list passes the devs FOC threshold and is solidly in Apoc territory where you're playing normal 40k again It fits within a standard Age of Darkness Force Organization Chart. There are three headquarter units, six troop choices, one elite choice, three fast attack choices, two heavy support choices, and one lord of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It fits, but is above what they recommend using the FOC for, and instead recommend apoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'm not really aboard the Deimos Vindicator hype train, either. If my meta actually calls for this weapon (so mainly AV13/14 vehicles without flare shields), I see little reason not to take laser destroyer rapiers instead. They are way more survivable and take a less precious slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Same here, especially if you play Iron Hands and get T8 for those units. It's a fair trade though- same firepower, but more mobility for less survivability against direct fire weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'm not really aboard the Deimos Vindicator hype train, either. If my meta actually calls for this weapon (so mainly AV13/14 vehicles without flare shields), I see little reason not to take laser destroyer rapiers instead. They are way more survivable and take a less precious slot.Laser destroyer rapiers are a shorter range than the tank for starter, plus placement. 3 shots from one gun is better than 3 from 3 (some may not be able to see the target, also not mobile, short range and can be avoided) but if you prefee that, it's your choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Anything over 2k/2.5k becomes rather unwieldy. We're not talking about just playing the game, but unpacking and packing models, deployment and so on. If I was stretching to 3k+ I'd be fielding Super Heavies or a Titan to keep model numbers down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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