Chapter Master Valrak Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Hey chaps, my first ever army list! Would love to get some feedback. At the moment the army is at 1951, any advice what to add or maybe to change to hit the 2.5k mark? I'm Thinking of adding some heavy weapon squads. Imperial Fist - Heresy Army Working total 2500 + HQ + Sigismund Master of the Legion Nathaniel Garro Paragon Bolter, Libertas Legion Centurion Boarding Shield Primus Medicae Solarite Power Gauntlet + Troops + Templar Breathren x 9 Templar Brethren x 9 Combat Shields x 1 Entire Squad Melta Bombs x 1 Legion Vexilla Chapter Champion Solarite Power Gauntlet Combat Shield ---- Legion Tactical Squad x 9 Legion Tactical Marines x 1 Legion Sergeant Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier --- Legion Tactical Support Squad X 5 Volkite Chargers Legion Rhino Armour Carrier + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon Close Combat Weapon, inbuilt Graviton Gun --- Legion Veteran Tactical Squad Veteran Tactics: Sniper x 9 Legion Veteran Space Marines x 2 Heavy Bolter Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier Legion Veteran Sergeant Power Fist + Fast Attack + Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter x2 Two Kraken Penetrator Heavy MIssles Ground-tracking Auguries + Heavy Support + Spartan Assault Tank Flare Shield Hunter-Killer Missles Multi-Melta Frag Assault Launchers Armour Ceramite --- Sicarian Battle Tank Heavy Bolters Armour Ceramite Hunter-Killer Missles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Sigismund is a normal HQ choice, not a LoW and essentially does the Preator Job better than a Preator - he is one, after all. Otherwise: Apothecaries cannot join Templar. Only a Primus Medicae can. Better off taking a Normal Terminator Squad vs a TDA Command Squad. Besides the Fearless Banner (Sigismund has the Rule anyways), they aren't really doing anything a normal TDA Squad isn't besides being able to challenge. 5 More Templar - put them + Sigismund in the Spartan. Charge out and strike at I5 S+1 due to FC and have Sigismund Murder anyone willing to accept a challenge. Followed by the Champion doing the same if there is another character in the unit. Also, Combat Shields. Makes them TEQ in CC with a 2+/5++. Bonus points if you slap in a Primus Medicae for FNP and another Solarite Power Gauntlet Source with a Boarding Shield for Defensive Grenades. 17 Man Tac Squad with Extra CCW that isnt in a transport rushing forward is a sunk cost and points you could have better spent since they'll be doing more shooting than fighting. I'd personally swap them to Tac Vets and use Pride of the Legion for Sniper BS5 Bolters / Heavy Bolters and/or Tank Hunting Melta Bomb Squad. Though if you use Melta Bombs, a Dreadclaw is near-mandatory. Otherwise, Sniper Bolter Squads are just fine in Rhinos or camping out a spot. Cataphractii excels at two roles: Charging out of a Transport geared for CC (storm shields, yo) or as a Long-ish Ranged Fire Support unit due to Slow and Purposeful. I wouldn't Deepstrike these at all since they can't run and overwatch. If you're taking 5, also give them a Dreadclaw to assault out of. Or a Land Raider Phobos. Otherwise, you're better off with Tartaros / Indomitus since they can run when needed and can still have a 3++ thanks to our Storm Shields. Beyond that, you're lacking in Anti-Air and Anti-Tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4226875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'll second the 10 man Templar plus PM + siggy in a spartan butt kicking train. Also- a deredero is your friend. Throw in a Lightning fighter with some awesome AT missle love and your golden on Aa/AT fun. Also... 20 man blocks of dudes are HH as all get out... But you kind of need 2 and supporting HQ and apotecaries. Or vet squads with assigned roles. Flamer or plasma support squads are also a bunch of fun as long as you have a transport for them. Welcome to the glorious yellow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4226942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Thanks for feedback guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4227168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sorry for the double post, when you say 10 Templars, do you mean two squads of 5? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4229403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Single Squad of 10 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4229416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dono1979 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I thought the LACAL had updated Apothecaries so that they could be included in Templar squads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4233276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Apparently not? I would assume id be on top of that since im all about apothecaries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4233294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Updated the list, how does it look? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'd drop all the plasma pistols in the list. They are really overpriced, and generally don't do a whole lot. Plus on a combat unit line Templars, you could take out a few models with pistols then make charging harder. Also what are you using the veteran squad for? They look like they are built for anti tank, but they don't have melta bombs or the tank hunter rule. They should have both. The alternative is give them sniper and 2 heavy bolters. With your bs5 buff that's really good unit for fists. Lastly you really need transports for the vets and support squad. Footslogging is awful for them they just can't get in range to fully use their weapons. Drop all the plasma pistols and maybe 1-2 guys from the support squad and you have her pts for 2 rhinos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'd drop all the plasma pistols in the list. They are really overpriced, and generally don't do a whole lot. Plus on a combat unit line Templars, you could take out a few models with pistols then make charging harder. Also what are you using the veteran squad for? They look like they are built for anti tank, but they don't have melta bombs or the tank hunter rule. They should have both. The alternative is give them sniper and 2 heavy bolters. With your bs5 buff that's really good unit for fists. Lastly you really need transports for the vets and support squad. Footslogging is awful for them they just can't get in range to fully use their weapons. Drop all the plasma pistols and maybe 1-2 guys from the support squad and you have her pts for 2 rhinos. Thanks for the advice Asvaldir! So I've dropped all the Plasma Pistols. I actually also got rid of the Support squad with Plasma guns and gave them Volkite and dedicated transport. With the points I saved I gave myself a Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship. Every squad now has a dedicated transport bar the Templars and HQ whom will all be getting in the Spartan Assault tank. How do you think it looks? Which is the best Rite of War to take with this set up? I was thinking Armoured Spearhead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 How many points do you have Left over? Id use it to swap the Power Fist on your Primus and Templar Champion to a Solarite Power Gauntlet. Why? Its not a specialist weapon (+1A for two cc weapons that arent specialist), Master-Crafted and Ap1 (blow up vehicles on a 5+ if needed) For not much more points. It means that the champion has 4 power fist attacks on the charge (2base, +1 for 2 ccw, +1 charge) vs 3 with a power fist sue to specialist weapon, same with the Primus going up to 5 attacks on the charge. Id also swap the extra armor on your dread for an in-hand gun. Like a graviton gun or something. Frag Assault Launchers are only useful for units charging out of it who dont have grenades. Templars are going in and have grenades so no need for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Transports for everything helps for sure. No need to run a RoW though, your army is good as is. One change I might recommend is taking a lightning instead of a storm eagle with kraken missiles. One of the best anti tank options available and is a much better value for your pts then a storm eagle. Especially since the storm eagle isn't transportating anything, no need for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 How many points do you have Left over? Id use it to swap the Power Fist on your Primus and Templar Champion to a Solarite Power Gauntlet. Why? Its not a specialist weapon (+1A for two cc weapons that arent specialist), Master-Crafted and Ap1 (blow up vehicles on a 5+ if needed) For not much more points. It means that the champion has 4 power fist attacks on the charge (2base, +1 for 2 ccw, +1 charge) vs 3 with a power fist sue to specialist weapon, same with the Primus going up to 5 attacks on the charge. Id also swap the extra armor on your dread for an in-hand gun. Like a graviton gun or something. Frag Assault Launchers are only useful for units charging out of it who dont have grenades. Templars are going in and have grenades so no need for that. Transports for everything helps for sure. No need to run a RoW though, your army is good as is. One change I might recommend is taking a lightning instead of a storm eagle with kraken missiles. One of the best anti tank options available and is a much better value for your pts then a storm eagle. Especially since the storm eagle isn't transportating anything, no need for it. Okay, I've updated my list. I have 5 points left over now, anything that I can get with that which may be helpful? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Upgrade the Primus' combat shield to a boarding shield. Lose an attack due to it restricting that but you get defensive grenades as an added bonus. Also, since the Sol Glove is master-crafted, you dont need to pay for the option on the Templar Champion anymore Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Upgrade the Primus' combat shield to a boarding shield. Lose an attack due to it restricting that but you get defensive grenades as an added bonus. Also, since the Sol Glove is master-crafted, you dont need to pay for the option on the Templar Champion anymore Done, with the extra points it gave me (10) I added Ground-tracking Augeries to the Lightning :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316131-25k-imperial-fist-list-feedbackadvice-wanted/#findComment-4261727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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