Armoured Spearhead and Rapiers

[zedmeister]

Have been idly looking at the Armoured Spearhead rite and then I started thinking about Rapiers as part of the list. Now, from the way I read the rules for that Rite, every infantry unit must start the game in a transport. 

 

But how does that affect a Rapier battery (Artillery) and its crew (Infantry)? What's your interpretation - can they be fielded as is, or must you purchase something for them to be carted around in? 

[xera32]

THE UNIT P64
Artillery units consist of a number of crew models and the gun models
themselves. These units can include several different types of models.

 

 

Just because an artillery unit contains infantry models, it doesn't change the fact that the unit is Artillery, not Infantry.

The RoW restriction is not all models with the infantry type must be in vehicles, it is all Infantry units must be in vehicles.

[Lunar Centurion]

You can take rapiers, they're artillery. It means infantry units need to take transports.

[Hesh Kadesh]

But the gunners are infantry.

 

It is a rules black hole. Does an infantry unit joined by a Jetbike IC change unit type?

[librisrouge]

Are rapiers infantry? Yes.

 

Are rapiers artillery? Yes.

 

Do all infantry need to be in transports? Yes.

 

Do rapiers need to be in transports? Yes.

[Hesh Kadesh]

Rapier Carriers are artillery, not infantry, what are you on about? The crew are infantry. Does that make the unit 'infantry' or 'artillery'? And when they say 'infantry in transport', do they mean units containing at least one infantry model, or units consisting only of infantry?

 

And attached independent characters. iC's are considered to be part of the unit they are attached to for all purposes, which means that a unit of infantry joined by a jetbike is considered infantry if you take it to the possible extreme that units containing at least one infantry are considered entirely infantry.

 

If a unit of infantry entirely made up by infantry is joined by a jetbike character, does that mean they don't need to take a transport? This otherwise breaking of the order of operations has a precedent as FW have apparently allowed for Alpha Legion mutablke tactics to allow for Coil of the Hydra infiltrate requisite.

[xera32]

Okay lets try this again

 

 

Artillery
The Unit P64 BRB
Artillery units consist of a number of crew models and the gun models
themselves. These units can include several different types of models.

 

So we know that an artillery unit is formed of gun models and crew models. These models don't need to be the same type. Lets look at the composition of a Rapier.

 

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery P27 LACAL
Unit Composition

1-3 Rapier Carriers forming a

squadron. Each Rapier has 2

Space Marine Crew.

 

 

The unit composition of a Rapier Weapons Battery consists of a number of crew (2 space marine crew) and the gun models (1 Rapier Carrier). This unit contains both Unit types "Infantry" and "Artillery" but we know from the rules for the unit composition for artillery, that Artillery Units "can include several different types of models."

I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that if the rapiers weren't artillery units, they wouldn't gain the benefit of being T7.

 

Artillery
Shooting At Artillery P64 BRB
If shooting at an Artillery unit, the
Toughness of the guns is always used
whilst at least one gun remains.

[Sanct]

What about the last line of the limitations which says "This in essence means that you may not take more infantry models in your army than you have transport capacity to carry!"