Hobbes Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Hey yah! Me too! a 10 man Deathwatch Legio B&C Kill team that's in scale too! I can't wait, I'm still collecting the rest of the bitz... and uhhh *BUMp* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Is it me or have the pics been lost in the Warp? B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch16 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Likewise, I must see true scale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardyer Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 If you look at the date of the last post before Nihm's its from like 2 years ago. That's probably why the images are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Indeed, but a tutorial like this is too good to lose! :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive71 Posted July 27, 2006 Author Share Posted July 27, 2006 Hi guys! Thanks for letting me know about the images being down. I had to change ISPs and lost all the files. So for now, I'll be using good ol' Imageshack. I can't believe folks are still reading the tutorial! I'm honored. I've changed a few things since I posted this (bulked up the thighs a bit for example), but until I get a chance to update, I'll just repost the old tutorial with new image links: Kurgan requested that I repost my "Properly scaled 40 marines" threads here on Bolter and Chainsword for your perusal. I'd like to post a step-by-step, but for now it's a bit tricky: I don't have my own camera, so I need to schedule time to use my friend's at work. Then he has to take the camera home to upload the pics and e-mail them to me... But I do plan on documenting the project further which of course will be posted for you guys to check out. Thankfully I only plan on using these for small scale skirmishes, so I won't need a whole army of them. My decision is influenced not only by convenience but also by the fluff, in that I want my Marines to be used primarily as small squads of shock troops for surgical missions - probably in the service of an Inquisitor or possibly a Rogue Trader. Anyway... 11/19/03 It's always bugged me that fluffwise, Space Marines are supposed to tower over the average human, but the miniatures don't reflect this. When the Brother Artemis figure was released for Inquisitor, it showed just how much bigger the Marines ought to be. In the Inquisitor rulebook, Jes Goodwin mentions that at 54mm scale, a Space Marine works out to 67mm. I roughly scaled that down for 40K and this is what I came up with: Size comparison between a standard GW Space Marine, my converted Marine, and a Guardsman http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9173/dsc00265vv5.jpg Shown at close to actual size when viewed at 1024x768 resolution http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3760/dsc00265bsh2.jpg A breakdown of the conversion: * The torso is a hybrid of the MkVI "Eagle Armor" chestplate and the MkVIII "Errant Armor" abdomen with a 1mm plasticard spacer added to lengthen the entire torso. * The tubes have been removed from the helmet and will probably be replaced with greenstuff respirator-style "canisters" ala the Kasrkin models. * The pelvis is from an Assault Marine with the legs removed just below the hip joint. * The legs are a Tac marine's removed just below the hip joint with plasticard spacers added to lengthen the thigh. The feet were also removed and repostioned, adding a bit more height. The grieves will be slightly lengthened and extended down over the ankle joint with greenstuff. By lengthening the entire figure, it not only adds height, it sets the Marine apart from the rather stocky proportions of the typical GW human figure, giving him more 'heroic' proportions. PART 2 Well, I modified the legs again, giving the Marine a more erect stance. In order to provide a better comparison of height, I used the legs from the new Tank Accessory sprue to piece together a fully upright Guardsman. The Marine still isn't standing as erect as the Guardman, but you get the idea. Size comparison between my converted Marine and a Guardsman http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9531/heightcompri4.jpg There's still a lot of detail and clean-up work to do on these, but here's a close-up of the modified legs which give the Marine his additional height. Leg detail showing placement of plastic card spacers http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6852/legdetailgu5.jpg A suggestion was made on another board that I deepen his chest as well to add bulk. I initially added a plastic card spacer between the front and back halves of the torso, but that not only deepened the chest, it also thickened the belly - not good. So I separated the chest plate from the abdomen and put the spacer just between the chest and back torso half, while the abdomen attaches directly to the back torso half. This gives him a much more beefed up profile. Comparison between my converted Marine's torso and a stock GW Marine's torso http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1254/chestcompto4.jpg Torso detail http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2351/torsodetailmb2.jpg As you can see, I also chose to widen the belt by lowering the buckle and adding a strip of plastic card. I had realized that my original Marine looked a little too "wasp-waisted". The modified belt thickens the waist just enough. So, what's next? * The grieve of the right leg needs to bulked up with green stuff. It's noticably thinner than that of the left leg. * Finish helmet modifications. * Add segments (or links) to belt with green stuff. For those of you with the Jes Goodwin sketchbook "The Gothic and the Eldritch", take a look at the drawing of the Mk 8 Space Marine armor, to see what I'm shooting for. * Clean up legs and add green stuff detailing at the joints. Back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 That's just <_<'ly You have my deepest thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha PTP Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1254/chestcompto4.jpg Marine on the right: "By the emperor's cellphone charger, he is MASSIVE. o.o;" Great job on the tutorial, the one thing I don't get is why there is plasticard under the marine's foot. Did I miss something when reading? Oo; Alpha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcrafter Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 GW should fix their marines and make them big too :ph34r: I would REALLY like doing a whole army of biggerized marines but what about metallic models like chaplains and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwing70 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I would REALLY like doing a whole army of biggerized marines but what about metallic models like chaplains and such? Just convert the special characters yourself out of plastic parts :) Seriously best way you're going to model it to your own image anyway, especially if you have a DIY Chapter. Otherwise it's always still possible to get a big saw and "recycle" the metallic parts you actually like too much to lose ;) edit: good to have the images back, backing em up this time.. though I (still) use more simplistic methods to make my Marines look bigger (taller), I figure I should give some future characters a more complicated and -better looking- size ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive71 Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Great job on the tutorial, the one thing I don't get is why there is plasticard under the marine's foot. Did I miss something when reading? I don't think I mentioned it, but one of the soles was taller than the other - by the teeniest fraction - and I'm terribly obsessive when it comes to this stuff, so I had to shim up the shorter one. :huh: Just convert the special characters yourself out of plastic parts :jaw:Seriously best way you're going to model it to your own image anyway, especially if you have a DIY Chapter. Agreed. Now that there are plastic captain bits, plastic medic bits, and lots of plastic gothy bits perfect for chaplains, it's very easy to make your own characters. Personally, I don't see the need to buy any metal characters nowadays, unless you really like the sculpt. Librarians might be a little trickier, but the B&C is full of excellent examples of how to build a librarian out plastic parts. I'm looking forward to the Dark Angels releases which, if the rumors pan out, will eliminate the need to buy metal devastator parts and will include lots of monkish robe-iness... Thanks for the continuing interest! Once I'm settled into my new house and have found which boxes contain my tools and bits and such, I'll get cracking on my marines again. I'm planning scaled-up (and anatomically viable) Terminators and taller scouts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron father Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 He walks among us! Elusive, I know this will come off sounding a bit ridiculous, but this tutorial completely changed the way I approach my modelling, even beyond space marines. Thanks a lot for this one, and I'm eagerly awaiting the updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralStukov Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 okies... for whatever reason it seems the first page's piccies wont show up for me at all.. but second page does... hrm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodthirster90 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 they already said why if you look up the page a bit. Nice tutorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother of Fortitude Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 This Tutorial is indeed amazing. I am going to have a lot of fun when it comes to true-scaling my metal death guard(2nd-3rd ed.). Hpowever hard it may be, I am determied to find a way, and this is helping me a great deal. Kudos, ~BOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Chaplain Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 You solved the problem of how to lengthen my DIY grandmaster's legs, I thank you sir. BTW I agree about DIY characters, to a point. Some metal models (like the new JP Chappy) are to nice not to use, and they are easily converted. But for masters, yeah, make your own plastic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatum Draco Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Not my style, but might be cool to make a mini really stand out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Kase Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Excellent tutorial - and thanks for solving my issues with short legs :tu: (and thanks to Brother Nihm for pointing me towards your tutorial) About how long does each marine take you these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mealstorm Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Bump for a fantastic thread with a great step-by-step break down of how to make "true scale" Marines. Petition: Sticky!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varthrok_revived Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I agree! probably the best true scale marine tutorial on this site. very generic. STICKY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdaws08 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Amazing......Sticky definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive71 Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hi folks. I fixed the image links on the first page to save any confusion. Of course now there will be confusion over the posts that say "where'd the pictures go?" :) Regarding the project, I bought a house about six months ago, so that has taken all of my time. Painting woodwork while I gaze longingly at the boxes marked "GW stuff"... sigh... I can share a couple refinements that I added before boxing my marines away though: It might not be obvious, but once the body has been elongated, the upper arms are a little short. This is an easy fix with an adjustable hole punch which you can get at many art and craft stores. I punch out disks with roughly the diameter of the upper arm from 1mm plasticard, draw a little hash mark where the shoulder and upper arm joins (so you can line it up again and not interfere with bolter positioning). Then I cut the shoulder off, and glue the shoulder and arm back together with a spacer in between and being careful to line it up using the hash mark. I also bulked up the thighs a bit, but afterwards realized that the figure has no butt! So I will be giving him some powerhouse glutes at a later date. :) Yes, I will be working on these again, once the house stuff dies down a bit. Thanks for your continued interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 These are sweet Elusive! Great quality stuff here. I can't wait to see some more of your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phal Brannon Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Awesome work there Elusive71 ^_^ One of the things that annoys me the most with 40k is catachan guardsmen making my marines look like (in the voice of Rainier Luftwaffe Wolfcastle) Punny little weaklings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bon_jovi_forever Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I know its been said but .... you are my new hero! Guy at my local gw (nottingham) did a lion el johnson model and just made him taller than the rest by making a greenstuff cloak to give him longer legs. he was! my hero, not any more! Bloody hell been paintin an collectin 6 months an i wanna try this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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