Natharius Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Hi all, so I wanna do the jump to Horus Heresy, after months of thinking i finally decided to go with Ultramarines, but I am having a hard to make my list. Fisrt of all i wan't to play models I like, this is why the Typhon and the Suzerains are in there. The list seems really weak thought, so i'd like to have your advices! I also have a budget constrain (I live in canada so forge world is SO expensive now) this is why I did not put two sicarian tanks, but it was my first idea. Rite of war: Pride of the legion HQ: Preator, paragon blade, iron halo with volkite charger (160) Elite: Mortis contemptor dreadnought, dual kheres (180) 5 Invictarus Suzerain, land raider phobos with ceramite armor (450) Troop: 10 veteran, 2 heavy bolters, artificer armor, power fist, rhino (300) 10 veteran, 2 heavy bolters, artificer armor, power fist, rhino (300) Heavy support: Sicaran, las canon (175) Lord of war: Typhon, lascanon, ceramite armor (410) 1995 points So what should I change? Could it be playable in 40k? Thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Well the good news is the units you like are both good. Suzerians are a solid assault unit, and the typhoon is one of the most used LoW. The bad news is your list is illegal in several ways. First off, the primarus medicae is a support officer, meaning he can't be used as your mandatory HQ. Second, the typhoon is a lord of war, not a heavy support, and you can only spend 25% of your pts on lords of war in heresy games, so you can take guilliman or the typhoon, not both. I'd probably take the typhoon, you don't really need guilliman at 2k, then replace the primarus medicae with a preator, gives you a solid HQ. He'll go well with the Suzerians, and as you'll have extra pts left I'd take a unit of 9 Suzerians. Any pts left you can throw into more bodies probably, another veteran squad if you want, or some big guns like a predator squadron or a quad mortar battery. As far as 40k crossover goes, that's a bit tough since Suzerians are not a 40k unit. They'd probably best fit as honor guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natharius Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Thanks for the advices, I never noticed the lord of war and the prime medicae. Instead of putting 9 suzerain I opted for a sicaran (darn they are expensive those tanks! Hope they will be done in plastic!) for a bit of anti-tank, I think my list would rush against tank heavy lists :( For the crossover, its because my friend only play 40k so i still wanna play with this list against them and not be wrecked on second turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Aa I see what you mean for 40k crossover. Well heresy lists can have trouble with 40k lists if you're up against really competitive 40k lists,but in a casual environment you'll be fine. Sicarans are great, that's a solid addition to the list. Your only weakness is probably lack of bodies, but you're always going to encounter that in a 2k pride list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natharius Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Would you suggest me to go for tacticals in rhino then or vets are ok? Did not write it, but they will have the sniper rule! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Personally, I am not a fan of normal tacticals at all. In HH where you're usually fighting just other marines, bolters are very sub par and I find tacticals do little except die. Fury of the Legion is cool, but hard to use effectively, a smart opponent won't give you the opportunity to rapid fire with fury and even if they do, it's still just bolters. Veterans on the other hand with sniper are far more effective, especially with HBs you have a solid number of shots a turn for more chances to get ap2 wounds. Some people like tacticals and they can definitely work in some lists, I've just never been happy with their performance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natharius Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Ok thanks, I really like the vet rules and i'll be getting invictarii set for the vets, they are awsome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natharius Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 I know that the sicaran is probably better, but would it be worth it to put predators? Considering that two preds are worth one sicaran in terms of money, and i'm really short on cash :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 The Sicaran is very much worth his points. 6 shots at S7 rending that ignores Jink (where applicable) on a fast vehicle (move 12" and still shoot) and a few other rules is hard to beat even if predators are cheaper. Everything we ever say is also with the caveat that you can/want to buy it or already have it. Feel free to ignore anything that doesnt align with any of your potential spending :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natharius Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Oh wait! Sicarans are fast? Ok i suddenly wanna spend that 150$ for it! Freaking canadian dollar ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I feel ya on the CAD lol >_< happy I bought most of our stuff last year when the dollar was stronger... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317492-2000-points-ultramarine/#findComment-4260971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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