Aveangelismortis Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Hello brothers and sisters, I'm attending the Las Vegas open next month and will be running a combined list of Iron hands and knights of house Krast. I originally planned on 3 knights but that seemed to shrink my Iron hands force to the point of being bare bones. I have a castigator, lancer, and magnetized plastic kit (so in this case, either an errant or paladin) 2500 points Iron Hands Head of the gorgon Praevian, thunder hammer, cyber familiar, combi flamer, refractor field -command automata group -3 castellax, with dark fire cannons, advanced targeting, frag grenades, 1 flamer each Elites 1 castellax with flamer, targeting array, frag grenades, paragon of metal Troops 10 tactical marines, Sargeant with power first, combi weapon, melta bombs, in a rhino with dozer blade. 10 tactical marines, Sargeant with power fist, combined weapon, melta bombs, in a rhino with a dozer blade. Heavy support Whirlwind scorpius Sicaran battle tank with lascannons, armored ceramite, aux drive Sicaran venator with lascannons, armored ceramite, aux drive Allied questoris knight detachment Hq Knight lancer (+25 hq upgrade) and ocular augments Troops Knight errant, ocular augments The plan is to outflank everything iron hands but the Praevian and castellax if an alpha strike army is my first enemy, but I'm worried about my lack of interceptor. I was taking a castigator as the elite option that gives the interceptor bubble to friendly knights, but the issue was I felt like the head of the gorgon specialty lost some of its bite with so few tanks on the board. Any c and c is welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Praevian is a Support HQ, you need another one to make the list Legal; take a look at the most Recent FAQ on FWs site. Additionally, you have no unit with Master Of The Legion special rule to permit you to take Head of the Gorgon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Crap, thanks! I'll take a look and update the list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No problem hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 OK, Here is my revised list Iron Hands HQ 725 Autek Morr Praevian with Combi Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Thunder Hammer, Refractor field -3 Castellax, including -2 Darkfire cannon, flamer, advanced targeting -1 with bolt cannon, flamer, advanced targeting Elites 540 2 castellax with advanced targeting arrays, frag grenades, flamers 6 Cataphractii Terminators with reaper autocannon, 5 volkite chargers, Chainfist, Thunder hammer, 4 lightning claws, cyber familiar and grenade harness for sergeant 320 Troops 410 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino Allied Knights 825 Hq Lancer Troops Errant 2500 on the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I'd probably ditch the Chargers on your Cataphractii if they're footslogging across the table. Having Combi-Bolters/Weapons means that their 24" range will come into play sooner than the chargers 15" and mesh better with the 36" of the Reaper. I'd also go for Power Axes/Fists over lightning claws since terminators are better off fighting other Terminators or 2+ Saves; unless you gear them up specifically to go after 3+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Good Points! Yeah I just really wanted a little CHOOM in my life, without those I would have enough for the third dark lance in the Castellax squad too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You cant go wrong with the Choom! But, they have to mesh with the unit. If they were a Squad that had, as mandate, to go out and MURDERLATE some 3+ saves or Weaker, then giving them Chargers, 1in5 Heavy Flamers and Power Mauls/Claws would be worth it at that point since you'd be able to lay down a lot of hate. And with Autek Mor giving them Preferred enemy, they'd lay it on thick. If they're more for general purpose, then you're better off going for Ap2 Weapons to deal with any Terminator Encounters so that their weapons aren't bouncing off 2+ Saves. Were you able to deepstrike them (Pod or otherwise) giving them combi-plasma's for the same cost and a plasma blaster instead of a Reaper would lay down a lot of Shooting Pain the turn they dropped in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I would swap them out for Gorgons, who have access to Grav guns. Autek Mor is a waste in this list, he doesn't have one valuable target to give prefered enemy, much less a second. Would would proably be better off to hold off the knights for 3k games, as you have little to work with otherwise against armoured lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Ok, So Finalized list Iron Hands HQ 875 Autek Morr 225pts Consul, Primus Medicae, Cataphractii terminator armor, cyber familiar, powerfist 140pts Praevian with Combi Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Thunder Hammer, Refractor field 135pts -3 Castellax, including -3 Darkfire cannon, flamer, advanced targeting 375 Elites 390 2 Castellax with Advanced Targeters, 1 flamer 205pts 5 Cataphractii Terminators with a Chainfist 185pts Troops 410 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino Allied Knights 825 Hq Lancer Troops Errant Random other question: Are the 50mm new bases for terminators? or can you still use the old 40mm ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Oh I didnt see these responses before, Yeah I know Mor is a bit of a waste in this list, but For what I was looking at Praetor-wise, he wasn't much more expensive. I needed the cortex Controller backup for the castellax groups. I thought about a support squad with calivers, but I feel like the Terminators Provide another nice tank unit to Hold the center. I do have a squad of five unbuilt Gorgons, but I felt the Cataphractii armor provides a slightly more durable unit, including the Primus Medicae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Terminators haven't changed base size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 OK, so ive done some rethinking and now Im not sure whether the knights are a good idea. These are the two lists Ive come up with thus far. I have three knights: a fully magnetized plastic kit, a lancer, and a castigator. Im kind of leaning towards the pure iron hands list, and using head of the gorgon. HQ 885 Autek Morr 225pts Consul, Primus Medicae, Cataphractii terminator armor, cyber familiar, powerfist, Combi Weapon 150pts Praevian with Combi Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Thunder Hammer, Refractor field 135pts -3 Castellax, including -3 Darkfire cannon, flamer, advanced targeting 375 Elites 185 5 Cataphractii Terminators with a Chainfist 185pts Troops 410 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino Heavy Support Sicaran Battle tank, with lascannons, armored ceramite 195pts Allied Knights 825 Hq Lancer Troops Errant OR a pure Iron Hands List HQ 735 Autek Morr 225pts Praevian with Combi Flamer, Cyber Familiar, Thunder Hammer, Refractor field 135pts -3 Castellax, including -3 Darkfire cannon, flamer, advanced targeting 375 Elites 545 2 Castellax with Advanced Targeters, 1 flamer 205pts 1 Castellax with Advanced Targeters, flamer 105pts 5 Gorgon Terminators with Grav Gun, Grenade Harness, Cyber Familiar 235 Troops 650 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino 10 tactical marines, sergeant with powerfist and combi plasma, rhino 10 support marines, With Volkite Calivers, Sargeant with Power fist 240pts Heavy Support 570 Sicaran Battle tank, with lascannons, armored ceramite 195pts Sicaran Venator, with Lascannons, Armored ceramite, auxiliary drive 260pts Whirlwind Scorpius 115 Thoughts on the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Under HotG you can only take a single unit of Castellax as Elites. Merge them with your praevian for a sturdy 5 man unit, it will pay dividents. You can swap that last Castellax for Orth to ride the sicaran or Venator. No sponsons on the venator, since they will have to snapfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Under HotG you can only take a single unit of Castellax as Elites. Merge them with your praevian for a sturdy 5 man unit, it will pay dividents. You can swap that last Castellax for Orth to ride the sicaran or Venator. No sponsons on the venator, since they will have to snapfire. That's not right, Wolfpack. It's the HS Cortex ones you only get 1 of. Here's the text from Head of the Gorgon: "Iron Scions: Legio Cybernetica Battle-automata Maniples may be included as Elites choices within the army..." If you are taking a Praevian and are also using Head of the Gorgon through another character with Master of the Legion you can take the following units of battle-automata: HQ: Praevian and his Castellax buddies Elites (HotG): As many as are slots (also, can be Domitar, Castellax or Vorax)Heavy Support (Cortex): A single unit of Castellax or Thallax (with no augments) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aveangelismortis Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 Ok, one other thing I was confused about and couldnt find a clear answer on: Can Orth fill the HQ requirement for HOTG rather than needing a Praetor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Ok, one other thing I was confused about and couldnt find a clear answer on: Can Orth fill the HQ requirement for HOTG rather than needing a Praetor? He does not no. Under HotG you can only take a single unit of Castellax as Elites. Merge them with your praevian for a sturdy 5 man unit, it will pay dividents. You can swap that last Castellax for Orth to ride the sicaran or Venator. No sponsons on the venator, since they will have to snapfire. That's not right, Wolfpack. It's the HS Cortex ones you only get 1 of. Here's the text from Head of the Gorgon: "Iron Scions: Legio Cybernetica Battle-automata Maniples may be included as Elites choices within the army..." If you are taking a Praevian and are also using Head of the Gorgon through another character with Master of the Legion you can take the following units of battle-automata: HQ: Praevian and his Castellax buddies Elites (HotG): As many as are slots (also, can be Domitar, Castellax or Vorax)Heavy Support (Cortex): A single unit of Castellax or Thallax (with no augments) Touché. I would still condense the units though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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