Frostmourne Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 So, it looks like we have the Rules for the Shattered Legions from the Weekender Thread, thanks to all those who helped by the way :) But thought I would start a thread to discuss A) how we can use this to make amazing fluffy armies B) how we can avoid any silly power gaming. So I have had a few ideas for armies I would love to make up and now wondering if best to use shattered legions or use as allies. And how they would play. Most based on my new Iron Hands. First would be Iron Hands led by an Iron Father, tank heavy force with dreads, supported by Pollux and some Phalanx Warders. Set around Imperium Secundus time. Second, would be Iron Hands and Emperors Children led by Gabierl Santar and Lord Commander Vespasian during their years of working together Third is simply Sallies and Iron hands, standard Shattered Legions, few vessels doing strike missions on traitor supply lines. How do people think they will work? Are any best left to allies matrix? And how to you guys plan on running any? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archidamus Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It has made me want to rekindle one of my first project ideas for the joint forces of the Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children from Angel Exterminatus. Mostly because of the Iron Circle and I have a soft spot for the IVth and IIIrd Legions. The Emperor's Children get to be the rabble and the Iron Warriors the siege line that just won't quit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4297899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedarkprincesnun Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 im being tempted by a word bearers ultramarine force lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4297986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 For the sake of convenience here are the relevant entries from the weekender thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317985-hh-weekender-2016-thread-titan-secutarii-pg-56/?p=4297676 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Perhaps a nice Khârn and Argel Tal style WE/WB brofest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Personally for me it will be a mix up of Iron Warriors and Night Lords due to owning armies for both already. If I decide to take this list seriously and build a new force It would probably be a combination of beaten up Salamanders and Iron hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 My plan is for a weatherbeaten force of Scars, Fists and Blood Angels standing defiant upon the Wall at the Siege. Overall command will be delegated to Shield-Commandant Heinrich Eilings of the Imperial Fists 284th Storm Battalion, backed up by Moritat Zhel Varost of the Blood Angels and (possibly) a White Scars Stormseer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 My plan is for a weatherbeaten force of Scars, Fists and Blood Angels standing defiant upon the Wall at the Siege. Overall command will be delegated to Shield-Commandant Heinrich Eilings of the Imperial Fists 284th Storm Battalion, backed up by Moritat Zhel Varost of the Blood Angels and (possibly) a White Scars Stormseer. YAAAASSS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 My plan is for a weatherbeaten force of Scars, Fists and Blood Angels standing defiant upon the Wall at the Siege. Overall command will be delegated to Shield-Commandant Heinrich Eilings of the Imperial Fists 284th Storm Battalion, backed up by Moritat Zhel Varost of the Blood Angels and (possibly) a White Scars Stormseer. YAAAASSS.It's funny you should like it so much, since one of my main inspirations was this guy of yours : http://rs421.pbsrc.com/albums/pp299/spencertrimm/616wip1.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Ive been working on a Shattered Legions army for a bit, but I'm very happy with the rules (I'll be even happier once Inferno drops!). I've so far got White Scars and Thousand Sons, trying to think of a third. Really tempted by Blood Angels and rounding out the founders of the Librarius :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Perhaps a nice Khârn and Argel Tal style WE/WB brofest? Yeah that one sounds awesome. I'd be happy to leave out Argel Tal myself, but the units themselves together sound absolutely glorious. Speaking of Argel Tal, does he have rules? If so, in which book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Perhaps a nice Khârn and Argel Tal style WE/WB brofest? Yeah that one sounds awesome. I'd be happy to leave out Argel Tal myself, but the units themselves together sound absolutely glorious. Speaking of Argel Tal, does he have rules? If so, in which book? Argel Tal doesn't yet have rules. They were supposed to be in the next Shadow Crusade book, but who knows when that'll happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 So do we think that the whole 'loyalist and traitor' thing doesn't matter so much and we can base it in fluff? So can you take loyalist Iron Hands and Loyalist Emperors Children as a shattered legion? Or because EC are traitor they can't be used with Iron Hands? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 So do we think that the whole 'loyalist and traitor' thing doesn't matter so much and we can base it in fluff? So can you take loyalist Iron Hands and Loyalist Emperors Children as a shattered legion? Or because EC are traitor they can't be used with Iron Hands? You can take them together. Loyalist and traitor generally only applies to certain special characters. It exists entirely separately from the standard allies rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Yep the legions themselves are neither traitor not loyalist inherently. Some just sway more to one side than the other. I plan to make a traitor Iron Hands/Iron Warriors force at this stage but that may be increased in scope to include another legion as well. Not 100% sure yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Well. This changes things. Best to sleep on it really. The idea someone had above of IW and EC from Angel Exterminatus sounds incredible fun to hobby. But something with Wolves could be amazing. Wolves and Dark Angels! *waits two years* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I actually just noticed that nowhere does it say that a Shattered Legion can't take Allies themselves. While I assume this can't be another Shattered Legion, this opens up the ability to represent 4 Legions in one list (5 if you throw Alpha Legion in there somehow) #1) Three Shades of Red: Word Bearer warlord leading World Eaters along with Khorne Daemon Allies #2) The Start of the Black Legion: Taking a cue from the Talon of Horus book: Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Emperor's Children with Sons of Horus Allies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I actually just noticed that nowhere does it say that a Shattered Legion can't take Allies themselves. While I assume this can't be another Shattered Legion, this opens up the ability to represent 4 Legions in one list (5 if you throw Alpha Legion in there somehow) #1) Three Shades of Red: Word Bearer warlord leading World Eaters along with Khorne Daemon Allies #2) The Start of the Black Legion: Taking a cue from the Talon of Horus book: Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Emperor's Children with Sons of Horus Allies Can you take them as allies? Because if so, the inverse of #2 would feel better, imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pazuzu Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I actually just noticed that nowhere does it say that a Shattered Legion can't take Allies themselves. While I assume this can't be another Shattered Legion, this opens up the ability to represent 4 Legions in one list (5 if you throw Alpha Legion in there somehow) #1) Three Shades of Red: Word Bearer warlord leading World Eaters along with Khorne Daemon Allies #2) The Start of the Black Legion: Taking a cue from the Talon of Horus book: Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Emperor's Children with Sons of Horus Allies Can you take them as allies? Because if so, the inverse of #2 would feel better, imho. I am not sure but I would agree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaolin_Monkey Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I actually just noticed that nowhere does it say that a Shattered Legion can't take Allies themselves. While I assume this can't be another Shattered Legion, this opens up the ability to represent 4 Legions in one list (5 if you throw Alpha Legion in there somehow) #1) Three Shades of Red: Word Bearer warlord leading World Eaters along with Khorne Daemon Allies #2) The Start of the Black Legion: Taking a cue from the Talon of Horus book: Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Emperor's Children with Sons of Horus Allies Can you take them as allies? Because if so, the inverse of #2 would feel better, imho. I am not sure but I would agree. You probably can take them as allies but given you can only include units from a legion of you have a HQ from that legion..... Well. Kinda doesn't work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I actually just noticed that nowhere does it say that a Shattered Legion can't take Allies themselves. While I assume this can't be another Shattered Legion, this opens up the ability to represent 4 Legions in one list (5 if you throw Alpha Legion in there somehow) #1) Three Shades of Red: Word Bearer warlord leading World Eaters along with Khorne Daemon Allies #2) The Start of the Black Legion: Taking a cue from the Talon of Horus book: Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Emperor's Children with Sons of Horus Allies Can you take them as allies? Because if so, the inverse of #2 would feel better, imho. I am not sure but I would agree.You probably can take them as allies but given you can only include units from a legion of you have a HQ from that legion..... Well. Kinda doesn't work.Right. So that would be a no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Iron Hands with Narik Dreygur and chums looks like a fun Shattered Legions twist - saw fluff for him in Book 6 stating he changed sides after the Alpha Legion tried to assassinate him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Id full on go traitor Iron Hands with someone like Iron Warriors or Word Bearers who will act as overseers/ minder to ensure their new allegiance remains true plus the possibility of fielding iron tyrants or gal vorbak alongside my iron hands is too much of a cool idea to pass up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordo Machinum Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Shattered Legions Unique Rite of War: After Isstvan states: This army may not make use of an Allies, Lords of War, or Fortifications Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostmourne Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hmm. So many combinations! I guess it's a game of picking your favourite two legions units and making them work? For example Gorgon And Pheonix Terminators. Suzerains and Templar Brethren. Firedrakes and Terror Squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318934-shattered-legions-the-way-forward/#findComment-4298653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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