1ncarnadine Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 YUP! I think the exception is Shadrak Meduson, who counts as a Salamander, Iron Hand and Raven Guard... But I am not sure. I know he can choose thier Rites of War at least. Speaking of that, anyone thought of s good build to utilise him in a triple Bro team of Istvaan V all stars? He only counts as Iron Hands except for selecting Rites of War. You still have to pay an HQ tax to get the other two legions in. And Shadrak himself is more expensive than Khârn for a lower-than-Praetor statline and an AP3 sword... decent enough Warlord trait though, I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4316505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yeah he brings the candy instead of the hitty-ness. I think having him as the warlord works well for a HQ of the other legions, as you could tool up a salamander Preator to insane killy levels and go nuts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4316634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Commander Macarian Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I don't have the book (yet) but can someone explain how a force with Ultramarines and Word Bearers would work? I have this idea about Ultramarines getting corrupted by a Diabolist Can you for example take Ultramarine Breachers with Power Swords & Dark Channeling? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4321618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The rule says it's an option for any "Word Bearers Legion Tactical, Assault etc" The rules don't really state what is a "Word Bearers" squad. You could assume it would be a squad with the Legiones Astartes: Word Bearers rules. But the rules don't state this. They just say in a word Bearers force. If it was a Rite of War effect, you could give dark channeling to an Ultras unit, as for the purposes of RoW they would count as word Bearers, but as it is an inherent word bearers trait, and not a RoW effect, no you cannot give the Ultras dark channeling :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4322067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuroG Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'm planning on using the shattered legion rules to do a Nathaniel Garro & Loken list. Maybe using Raven Guard, Luna Wolves & Raven Guard perhaps as I have them as my 30k army, might chuck in some Salamanders too. Stay safe all G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4342139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 So from the moment FW dropped Betrayal I have wanted to do a survivors force led by Loken. Shattered Legions allows me to do that now. But I have no idea what else to include in a workable list. Any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4348667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Quite frankly anything! Maybe a knight errant? Some other loyals from traitor legions? It's all open. A great one would be some Lunar Wolf Tacs, as thier rules make them rather powerful. Then just pick and choose special units from other Legions you have a HQ for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4348683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I've got a doubt regarding the ally status between different legion units: Some RoWs don't allow space marine legion detachments as allies. As I understand, this does not invalidate them to be taken by Shattered Legions, as the allied space marines are in the primary detachment. What is your view on this? And regarding the "no denial units" rule, does it include scoring units (troops, veterans, legion termies, etc.)? (Seen on the 1d4chan page that they do deny, but I'm not absolutely sure on the validity of that affirmation). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4351360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I'm not sure that's how it works. They are claiming they got it from HH:4, but from the updated AOD rules in the Admech book I don't see anything under the 'scoring units' section that confers the option to deny. So you can score, but you cannot deny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4351404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Book 5 is the book where those changes occur. But otherwise its: Troops and Implacable Advance Scores. Everything Else: Denies. Troops vs Troops /Implacable on an Objective = Contested Troops vs Denial on an objective = not captured. Denial vs Denial = Nothing Spectacular Happens. Soooooooooooo yeah. Thats how that works. Objective Secured is also not a thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4351411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Book 5 is the book where those changes occur. But otherwise its: Troops and Implacable Advance Scores. Everything Else: Denies. Troops vs Troops /Implacable on an Objective = Contested Troops vs Denial on an objective = not captured. Denial vs Denial = Nothing Spectacular Happens. Soooooooooooo yeah. Thats how that works. Objective Secured is also not a thing. So I understand that your scoring units can contest objectives to the opposing army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4351872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Only if up against another scoring unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4351873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 As a small caviat, troop choice knights from the Questoris Knight list have Objective Secured. Its just a special rule for them though, so it isn't part of any detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4352393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelticRaven Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 would infiltrating Maun and a bunch of mor-deythan up the field as part of a shattered legions army list, combined with a mass deep strike for day of revelation assault marines be any good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4356061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 So, has anyone put together any lists that they like? I know my bro is looking at an istvaan 5 survivors list, with possible garro in there for fluff reasons. I think he's using immortals, pyroclasts and mor deythan headed by an iron hands praetor. What loyalist legions promote synergy together in a list, rules and fluff wise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4360094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Rules wise, (and to an extent fluff) I'm loving the idea of ultramarines and iron warriors. From a fluff point of view, I like the idea of ultramarines bolstering an iron warriors garrison like they did with dantiochs one. Rules wise, the new iron warriors rite of war, combined with ultramarines interlocking tactics would provide a lot of synergy. In game, I see a lot of iron warrior back line/defence units like breacher and artillery with ultramarines acting as the spear tip/cavalry (outrider squads, outflanking vets, speeders, etc) I think it would be quite neat, all things considered! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4360124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I'll eventually be adding in some IW to my DG to make the loyalist "Brotherhood of the Skull". Or Death Metal as I like to call them. Essentially two forces of loyalists that decided to use all known forms of munitions to give a big middle finger to the traitors. Mortug's infiltrating Siege Tyrants B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4360168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kossaka Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 What about Imperial Fists Resolve of Stone with other legion specific Breacher and Shield units like Medusan Immortals, Firedrakes, Suzerains, UM Powersword Breachers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 What about Imperial Fists Resolve of Stone with other legion specific Breacher and Shield units like Medusan Immortals, Firedrakes, Suzerains, UM Powersword Breachers. Don't say such things I only just talked myself out of that combo! No idea if that would work but holy hell it would be awesome if it does! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kossaka Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I was noodling around it battlescribe and then it hit me. It couldn't be, no, it can't work that way. No way. But why not? Firedrakes sitting at a beefy T5 2 wound terminator with +2/++3. Immortals would earn their name. Ultras powersword brick could take on rediculious ammounts of punishment as a base unit. As soon as Suzerains get stuck in cc they become what minces most other squads, And one that I would send against Primarchs. Edit: What about Siggy and Suzerains? That could be fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Well, how much of that can you fit into a list considering your Warlord will be an Imperial Fist With Master of The Legion + 1 HQ per additional Legion you want to add. (Ie: IF + 2 other Legions max) You then have to take Breacher Squads as Troops; granted they can be whatever legion. Additionally, you cannot deepstrike or have more Elites and Fast Attack combined than you have Troops. Its definitely not going to be an easy task to build an army in the manner you describe at sub 3k points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Well, how much of that can you fit into a list considering your Warlord will be an Imperial Fist With Master of The Legion + 1 HQ per additional Legion you want to add. (Ie: IF + 2 other Legions max) You then have to take Breacher Squads as Troops; granted they can be whatever legion. Additionally, you cannot deepstrike or have more Elites and Fast Attack combined than you have Troops. Its definitely not going to be an easy task to build an army in the manner you describe at sub 3k points. Could work OK with IF and UM. IF Praetor with Stone Gauntlet, UM Chaplain/Forgelord with his Suzerain buddies then mix in some IF+UM Breachers and other gubbins - would be a laugh in Zone Mortalis! (Or Iron Warriors Breacher teams with melta bombs to take full advantage of their Legion rules) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 That is brutal. Especially the Suzy's/ UM Power Sword Breachers D: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I actually wrote up a 2000 pt. Impfists/iron hands list using Rite of Stone Gauntlet, now if I could just find that paper amongst all my other ramblings.... Either way Iron hand breachers become functionally T6 against shooting attacks, meaning your FnP is there to stay for good! Which makes footslogging more of a possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 "oh yeah your bolters wound me on 6+" "I get a 6++/5++ against that Typhon Blast" "Your plasma only hurts me on 3's" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319001-shattered-legions-tactica/page/2/#findComment-4363832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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