Baluc Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 The whole loyalist/ traitror thing is a bit murky... It's meant for campaign games really, but also not because there is so many characters that have restriction or abilities that interact with the rules like Hatred: Traitors etc. One great example I like is that Khyr Valen is a loyalist, but must be the Warlord unless in an army with Perturabo... A Traitor.... Ultra's do certainly seem awesome, especially for interlocking and Suzy access, which is pretty insane! I'm feelings some sort of Imperium Secondus army idea coming one with Red Black and Blue... I believe the design team left those types of loopholes open for great crusade armies. Which the Shattered Legions clearly aren't. The Traitor/Loyalist designation is pretty much a necessity in heresy era games. Of course with the "you can house rule whatever you would like at home" disclaimer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yeah that is just it really :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyterran Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 You all finding ways to break it, I'm seeing an excuse to put that awesome Alexis Polux model with either my current Ultramarines or Iron Warriors to represent Imperium Secundus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 You all finding ways to break it, I'm seeing an excuse to put that awesome Alexis Polux model with either my current Ultramarines or Iron Warriors to represent Imperium Secundus... Or both ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Isn't Autilon a Traitor, so you can't take him with Loyalists? Or am I remembering how that works wrong... Also, can you attach a Character with infiltrate to a unit before deployment, or does Mutable Tactics involve some shenanigans? If using allegiance, Skorr cannot play with Remus, but everything is kosher otherwise. Remus is cute but pricy, and can easily be swapped for a Primus Medicae or better yet Forgelord. The infiltrate limitation only applies to independent characters, not attached Characters like Apothecaries. Remains to be seen who they can attach to. Â My conversion for the Suzerainty is underway, to be completed after I come back from Brazil, and they look nothing like Ultras. I see it as a reward of treason unit without having to run Coils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016  Isn't Autilon a Traitor, so you can't take him with Loyalists? Or am I remembering how that works wrong... Also, can you attach a Character with infiltrate to a unit before deployment, or does Mutable Tactics involve some shenanigans? If using allegiance, Skorr cannot play with Remus, but everything is kosher otherwise. Remus is cute but pricy, and can easily be swapped for a Primus Medicae or better yet Forgelord. The infiltrate limitation only applies to independent characters, not attached Characters like Apothecaries. Remains to be seen who they can attach to. My conversion for the Suzerainty is underway, to be completed after I come back from Brazil, and they look nothing like Ultras. I see it as a reward of treason unit without having to run Coils.   This is incorrect. AoD replaces the regular faction rules from 40k with the Traitor/Loyalist faction rules. You do not choose an "army/legion" first you choose Loyalist or Traitor and then a legion in the case of space marines. Unless you are playing some alternate universe/history traitor only and loyalist only choices and characters cannot be mixed through allies, or shattered legion rules. This is on page 14 of the new red book if you would like to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Everyone has traitor and loyalist elements, some Legions even have characters representing both sides of the divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Everyone has traitor and loyalist elements, some Legions even have characters representing both sides of the divide.  And those characters can be used in either faction. That doesn't change the fact the Skorr is traitor faction only and Remus is Loyalist faction only, similarly that you cannot take Red butchers in a Shattered legion force consisting of Loyalist world eaters and consequentially  loyalist any other legion.  The game requires you choose a faction to play the game. The options are loyalist or traitor. No fluff explanation can change that especially considering Special characters are the fluffiest units in the game seeing as how they have specific fluff to go with the data slate.  You are simply incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Uh buddy, I said the two specials can't play together, but using generic versions instead of one or the other works just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 What do you think of a World Eaters and Sons of Horus army? Thinking post-Terra warband, using a Sacrificial Offering RoW. Â SoH veterans with Sniper, World Eaters assault elements (Inductii + HQ), and hordes of militia along with a few Leman Russ battle tanks for funsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't know poop about 30k lists, but I put this ~3000 point list together:  **There are still 37 points left to spend  Age of Darkness Detachment:  Crusade Force Organization Chart:  HQ:  World Eaters Praetor: Warlord: Volkite Charger, Paragon Blade, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo World Eaters Gahlan Surlak Sons of Horus Master of Signal: Combi-weapon  TROOPS:  World Eaters Inductii x19: Chainaxes, Vexilla, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joned by Apothecary World Eaters Inductii x19: Chainaxes, Vexilla, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joined by Surlak World Eaters Tactical Support Squad x8: Volkite Chargers, Chainaxes, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joined by Praetor and Apothecary  ELITES:  World Eaters Apothecarion Detachment: 2x Apothecary: Chainaxe Sons of Horus Veteran Squad x9: Rhino <== joined by Master of Signal Sons of Horus Veteran Squad x10: Rhino Sons of Horus Cortus Contemptor Talon: 2x Cortus Contemptor: DCCW, Chainfist, 2x Meltagun  HEAVY SUPPORT:  World Eaters Land Raider Phobos: Extra Armor, Dozer Blades, Pintle Multi-melta <== Praetor, Apothecary, & Support Squad embarked  LORD OF WAR:  World Eaters Stormlord: Space Marine Crew  FORTIFICATION:  Aegis Defense Line: Comms Relay   ALLIED DETACHMENT:  HQ:  Force Commander: Cult Horde, Tainted Flesh Levies x50 Levies x20   I dunno, just seems like a fun list. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akis Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Hello everybody! I collect XVIII, fearless sons Nocturnes, but after reading "Meduson" wanted to gather his gang. Salamander tanks, Ravens infiltrated occupy markers. But what to do with iron hands? It seems to me that they are very similar to the salamander. According to the rule Meduson, it has access to all three Legiones astartes (Sal-RG-IH). Can he fill in all 3 compalsory slots, and get into the technique of the three legions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 He fufils the requirement as an Iron Hand, but you'd still need a salamander and RG HQ each. Â His rules just means he could, if you wanted, run one of their rites of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Hi folks, just to clarify. Would I be able to run a shattered legion whereby:  - delegatus, 3rd Company Elite - kakophoni as troops - word Bearers chaplain - gal vorbak elites - iron warriors siege breaker  Is that legal and works? I believe it does, just would like a second view :)  Cheers folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Yes, and the Siege Breaker would unlock heavy support siege tyrants for him to join. Seems nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 BA and Ultras runing day of revelation. Â The Loctarus assault squad getting pinning, 5+ cover and coming down turn one to double tap could be pretty coooool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 So either I or Battlescribe is wrong, and I want to make sure before I change anything. The rules say, to my understanding, that the only thing special about Shattered Legions is that they essentially are battle brothers as long as the Warlord is alive - other than that, they're pretty much just two AoD detachments side by side that share a compulsory troop choice selection. However, Battlescribe seems to think that they actually become some kind of blended Legiones Astartes; as in I could take a DG/Salamanders force that had a DG Morait with Twin MC Inferno Pistols and a Sallie Tactical Support Squad can take Chem-Munitions for S5 AP5 Shredding Gets Hot Templates. Who is correct; me or Battlescribe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Because of how battlescribe works, when you select shattered legions, it simply unlocks all options for the legions you choose. It doesn't separate the units out. Â So yeah, it is wrong in that sense. The DG flamers would be shred, but they could not take inferno pistols. Â Also,just to correct you, shattered legions is still only one AoD detachment, you just get to take units from up to three legions (as you have HQ slots) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 It was more of a comparison, but I see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopplganger Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Newish player here, was thinking of using Nightlords as a rapid attack force with iron warriors as fire support, wanted to know if it would be viable to do, thanks in advanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Newish player here, was thinking of using Nightlords as a rapid attack force with iron warriors as fire support, wanted to know if it would be viable to do, thanks in advanced It COULD have some problems (terror assault only has one heavy slot, causes night fighting) but outside of that could be very efficient. Â NL assault squads as troops work wonders and are very powerful and Iron Havoc can bring the pain. A few podded terror squads backed up by heavy armour would be nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Some random cheese: Â Shattered legions with IH/ DG loyalists. Â IH Preator/ Meduson running Head of the Gorgon. Â Grav Gun Support Squad. Â Crysos Mortug for Endurance. Â Enjoy your Unkillable AV-Crushing machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I don't know if this has been spotted by anyone else yet or not, but the new Red book basically scuppers any Shield Bro's shenanigans. The Stone Gauntlet RoW now reads +1 toughness to LA:IF models only. Note that I only realised this after I bought a bunch of Invictarus Suzerains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I don't know if this has been spotted by anyone else yet or not, but the new Red book basically scuppers any Shield Bro's shenanigans. The Stone Gauntlet RoW now reads +1 toughness to LA:IF models only. Note that I only realised this after I bought a bunch of Invictarus Suzerains. Remember, different legions count as having other LA rules for the purposes of rites of war, so that may cover it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StruManChu Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Charlo. you're a genius, and you've turned around my angst about my whole list! I'd completely forgotten that part of the rules. You must be a good-hearted and kind person deserving of many rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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