Shattered Legions Tactica

[Caillum]

Something like this? :)

 

HQ

- Alexis Polux: Rite of War (The Stone Gauntlet)

- Salamanders Chaplain: Crozius Arcanum; Terminator armour (Cataphractii); Dragonscale storm shield; thunder hammer 145

- Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth

 

TROOPS

- 14 Iron Hands Breacher Space Marines: 3× meltagun; legion vexilla; + 1 Breacher Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs; Cyber-familiar) 380

- 14 Iron Hands Breacher Space Marines: 3× meltagun; legion vexilla; + 1 Breacher Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs; Cyber-familiar) 380

 

ELITES

- 4 Firedrake Terminators: 4× Dragonscale storm shield; chainfist; 3× thunder hammer; + 1 Firedrake Master (Dragonscale storm shield; master-crafted thunder hammer) 350

• Spartan Assault Tank: armoured ceramite; flare shield; dozer blade 345

- Imperial Fists Apothecarion Detachment

• Apothecary: artificer armour; augury scanner 60

• Apothecary: artificer armour; augury scanner 60

 

HEAVY SUPPORT

- Iron Hands Sicaran Battle Tank: dozer blade; armoured ceramite; lascannon sponsons 200

- Salamanders Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought: Aiolos missile launcher 220

- Imperial Fists Whirlwind Scorpius

 

2,500 points

[Runefyre]

"oh yeah your bolters wound me on 6+"

 

"I get a 6++/5++ against that Typhon Blast"

 

"Your plasma only hurts me on 3's"

Caillum reminded me, IH characters get access to cyber familiars.

 

So it would actually go something like this.

 

"I get a 5++/5+++ against your Typhon blast"

 

"my breacher sergeant has a 4++/5+++ against your centurion's power fist"

[Slips]

Iron Hand Characters and IC's in Cataphractii + Cyber Familiars also have 3++ Saves.

[Reyner]

If that is the regular force org chart for the Age of Darkness that army list isn't valid as Stone Gauntlet needs an extra troops choice to be legal. If it is some other chart then it is pretty cool. 

[Slips]

If that is the regular force org chart for the Age of Darkness that army list isn't valid as Stone Gauntlet needs an extra troops choice to be legal. If it is some other chart then it is pretty cool. 

No, Stone Gauntlet doesnt require extra troops and he only has 2 Elites for 2 Troops so he's fine.

[Reyner]

If that is the regular force org chart for the Age of Darkness that army list isn't valid as Stone Gauntlet needs an extra troops choice to be legal. If it is some other chart then it is pretty cool.

No, Stone Gauntlet doesnt require extra troops and he only has 2 Elites for 2 Troops so he's fine.

Really? I thought Stone Gauntlet forced you to take another troops choice? I may be getting confused with another RoW now though

-edit: ah a quick google and now I feel a fool!

[Slips]

would infiltrating Maun and a bunch of mor-deythan up the field as part of a shattered legions army list, combined with a mass deep strike for day of revelation assault marines be any good?

Eh, I'd be concerned about the wording for Day of Revelations forcing Compulsory HQs to have Jump Packs as potentially making this idea a No-Go.

 

Mainly since Maun would technically be a Compulsory HQ to unlock Raven Guard as a Shattered Legions option.

 

Another thing is that Blood Angels already have Anti-Infantry pretty much sorted. Its more combat focused, sure, but the More Deythan would only really bring you more Anti-Infantry Shooting.

 

Depending on points level (I'd go 3k for this idea), due to the compulsory Deepstriking FA Slot in addition to 2 Assault Marine Squads (500 points minimum), you'd be better off getting more Anti-Tank in first then sliding the Mor Deythan in later in the list building.

 

I also don't feel like youd be making the most out of Maun and the Mor Deythan in this scenario since the former works best as the lists Warlord and only goes up to 11 with Decapitation Strike.

 

Heres a thing you could do if you're deadset on the idea:

 

+++ RG & BA (2999pts) +++

 

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2999pts) ++

 

+ HQ (355pts) +

 

Legion Praetor (180pts) [Artificer Armour, Blade of Perdition, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, IX: Blood Angels, Jump Pack]

····Master of the Legion [The Day of Revelation]

 

Strike Captain Alvarex Maun (175pts) [Legion Drop Pod, Master of the Legion]

 

+ Troops (600pts) +

 

Legion Assault Squad (300pts) [iX: Blood Angels, 9x Legion Assault Space Marines, 2x Power Weapon]

····Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist]

 

Legion Assault Squad (300pts) [iX: Blood Angels, 9x Legion Assault Space Marines, 2x Power Weapon]

····Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist]

 

+ Elites (819pts) +

 

Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon (240pts) [iX: Blood Angels]

····Cortus Dreadnought [Chainfist with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod]

 

Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon (240pts) [iX: Blood Angels]

····Cortus Dreadnought [Chainfist with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod]

 

Mor Deythan Strike Squad (339pts) [Artificer Armour, 7x Combi-weapon, 3x Missile Launcher with Suspensor Web, 9x Mor Deythan]

 

+ Fast Attack (480pts) +

 

Dark Fury Assault Squad (270pts) [7x Dark Fury]

····Chooser of the Slain [Melta Bombs]

 

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter (210pts) [battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, IX: Blood Angels, 2x Two Kraken penetrator heavy missiles]

 

+ Heavy Support (745pts) +

 

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (375pts)

····Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Cyclonic Melta Lance, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Leviathan Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger]

 

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (370pts)

····Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Grav-flux Bombard, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Phosphex Discharger]

 

+ Legion +

 

Legion Astartes [iX: Blood Angels, Loyalist, Shattered Legions, XIX: Raven Guard]

 

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[DietOfLiquor]

Edit*** Removed army list.

[Balthamal]

Can't find anything so please feel free to remove if necessary but has anyone compiled a list of the Legions that have best synergy with each other?

 

Looking to take a 3k army to an event in August and thus far have to decide between:

 

Night Lords

Alpha Legion

Iron Warriors

Ultramarines

Blood Angels

Emperor's Children

Dark Angels

[Charlo]

RG and anyone is pretty great, as they turn all troop tax at least marginally more useful with infiltrating.

[Balthamal]

Yeah that's the one Legion I'm trying to avoid because it seems everyone wants to use them.

 

I'm currently dabbling with either a Terror Assault list with NL/AL/BA and a AL/UM hybrid. 

 

Just to be clear though, am I right in saying that you only need to take a HQ with a separate LA rule to the warlord if you want Legion specific units? If you want say Iron Warriors tacticals in a Dark Angel led list then you just paint them differently then it's all good?

 

Also when it comes to vehicles since they lack the Legions Astartes rule, do squadrons or talons have to be all of one Legion too?

[Charlo]

You need a HQ choice per type of legion you want.

 

So if you want DA tacs but IW vets, you'd need a HQ choice of each.

[Pyroclast91]

Greetings brothers sisters and servitors I'm working on putting together my first 30k force using the copius quantity of half finished marines I have a betrayal at calth box and %60 or so finished knight and unfortunately being very impatient and living in the states I haven't ordered the books yet because every time I have the money I spend it on instant plastic crack gratification So with that being said I need some serious help figuring out my army list at least to the extent of knowing what units to build my models as I want to do a loyalist Istvaan v all-star list S,RG,IH does anybody have any suggestions? I would very much appreciate any and all input on the subject

[Charlo]

Shadrak Meduson as your warlord.

 

He has a couple rules that buff your army made out of those 3 legions :)

[Pyroclast91]

Shadrak Meduson as your warlord.

He has a couple rules that buff your army made out of those 3 legions :)

Awesome thank you Charlo I'll look into him I also saw somewhere something about being able to use an hq from each legion and that's what I'd really like to do I think I'm going to make my first ever fw order here in a couple weeks and I think I'm gonna get at least one of the books would retribution be the best choice?

[Charlo]

It would be your only choice as it contains all of the Shattered Legions rules ;)

 

Remember we are due the 30k Marine Army list update soon, so a few things might change in that too.

[Pyroclast91]

I suppose that does sort of make it a simple choice then doesn't it do you have any other suggestions maybe what units I should consider from the IH an RG I'm pretty familiar with the Salamanders but not so much with the other two and I'm struggling with figuring out which of there units compliment the sallies way of making war as they will be the bulk of the force thank you for your input it's much appreciated

[Charlo]

Well it's up to you really. Quick summary:

 

IH:

 

Gorgon Terminators have a blind aura that forces tests when they make a save, but they only have a 5++ and can't sweep, but do get Grav guns. I'd probably stick to Firedrakes though.

 

Medusan immortals are Breachers with Feel No Pain and can give everyone Volkites. Expensive though awesome.

 

A good note is that all IH non-vehicles force a -1S penalty to all shooting against them. So for a defensive army and basic objective holders they can work very well. Use them to man your Quad Mortars and such.

 

RG:

 

Mor'deythan are super seekers that once per game get a special "all of our shooting attacks rend" ability. People like to give them all combi flamers and then absolutely toast something with ignore cover rends.

 

Dark Furies all have jump packs and master crafted lightning claws that rend. Strong unit. Adds come mobility the other two legions lack.

 

If you want to go for a drop style army to represent the raiding the Shattered legions did using Shadrak Meduson as your warlord with the RG Decapitation Strike RoW could yield nice results. You can deep strike a load of guys and then the next turn use his warlord trait to give everyone Furious Charge, Hatred and Crusader for a turn.

[Pyroclast91]

Awesome thank you very much that helps a ton. I think I'm gonna do what you suggested and go for the firedrakes over the gorgons and I was already thinking about imortals and some mor deythan and your summary of them was the last convincing I need I think. So to run all of that I'll need Shadrak and am hq from each of the other legions correct ? Im building an Artellus (praetor) but I'm still unsure on the RG. Also with the RoW you still only choose one for the whole army rite? Sorry for the excessive questions but as I said I'm without book I really do appreciate all your help

[Charlo]

Haha it's no worries dude.

 

Id go to 1d4chan and look at the Heresy tactics page. Will give you a lot of info too!

 

But yes you'll need a HQ for RG and Sal.

 

You can only run a single rite of war per detachment correct.

 

If you have Meduson I would avoid a Preator, maybe go for some other special characters or some good consuls.

[Pyroclast91]

Ok thank you I'll check it out the only time I'll run the praetor will be when I'm feeling fluffy since he'll be my Artellus Numeon. But I'm planning on building at least one of each consul type the salamanders can use, once I figure out which ones those would be lol. Anywho I'm definitely gonna use some mordeythan that I'll probably convert this next week but the immortals I'm gonna order in that fw order I mentioned earlier along with retribution and maybe a salamanders support cadre? Or something of equivalent cost if I come up with any better ideas lol or rather if anyone gives me any better ideas ;) thanks again for your help it's appreciated tremendously

[Terminus]

After some experimenting, the Legion I'm enjoying most for Shattered Legion shenanigans is Ultramarines.

 

For the tax of taking an Ultramarines character, you unlock their excellent special units (Suzerain!) and the whole list gains Interlocking Tactics while ignoring all of the Ultramarine drawbacks. 

 

For example, Remus Ventanus is poorly equipped with only a power sword, but comes with a Legion Standard for a fearless bubble, and his -1 to enemy reserves and re-rolling your own ability is very strong (for extra laughs, take Autilon Skorr and Coils for a -3 to enemy reserves). He is also a master of the Legion, so you could even take a Suzerain squad as a command squad (complete with extra Legion standard for two fearless bubbles), and not expend any slots.

 

I can't wait three more days for the new red book. It will be interesting to see if any of Ultramarine unique units get added to the list of units that can be accompanied by an apothecary, in which case you could give them Infiltrate (and Scout!) by attaching an Alpha Apothecary.

[IronDrake28]

After some experimenting, the Legion I'm enjoying most for Shattered Legion shenanigans is Ultramarines.

 

For the tax of taking an Ultramarines character, you unlock their excellent special units (Suzerain!) and the whole list gains Interlocking Tactics while ignoring all of the Ultramarine drawbacks.

 

For example, Remus Ventanus is poorly equipped with only a power sword, but comes with a Legion Standard for a fearless bubble, and his -1 to enemy reserves and re-rolling your own ability is very strong (for extra laughs, take Autilon Skorr and Coils for a -3 to enemy reserves). He is also a master of the Legion, so you could even take a Suzerain squad as a command squad (complete with extra Legion standard for two fearless bubbles), and not expend any slots.

 

I can't wait three more days for the new red book. It will be interesting to see if any of Ultramarine unique units get added to the list of units that can be accompanied by an apothecary, in which case you could give them Infiltrate (and Scout!) by attaching an Alpha Apothecary.

Isn't Autilon a Traitor, so you can't take him with Loyalists? Or am I remembering how that works wrong...

 

Also, can you attach a Character with infiltrate to a unit before deployment, or does Mutable Tactics involve some shenanigans?

[Charlo]

The whole loyalist/ traitror thing is a bit murky... It's meant for campaign games really, but also not because there is so many characters that have restriction or abilities that interact with the rules like Hatred: Traitors etc.

 

One great example I like is that Khyr Valen is a loyalist, but must be the Warlord unless in an army with Perturabo... A Traitor.... :D

 

Ultra's do certainly seem awesome, especially for interlocking and Suzy access, which is pretty insane!

 

I'm feelings some sort of Imperium Secondus army idea coming one with Red Black and Blue...

[Reyner]

The whole loyalist/ traitror thing is a bit murky... It's meant for campaign games really, but also not because there is so many characters that have restriction or abilities that interact with the rules like Hatred: Traitors etc.

One great example I like is that Khyr Valen is a loyalist, but must be the Warlord unless in an army with Perturabo... A Traitor....

Ultra's do certainly seem awesome, especially for interlocking and Suzy access, which is pretty insane!

I'm feelings some sort of Imperium Secondus army idea coming one with Red Black and Blue...

Mix in some Yellow and Iron and we will have the same idea! :P