Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Think we only have a thread for shattered legions?What ideas for blackshields bands do you guys have?Not home yet will add more basic infos later ^^ Edit, home - basic information about Black Shields, thanks to m_r_parker <3 A black shield encompasses many different things. Maybe these pages might help: http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2301_zpsa415eybz.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2302_zps14bhgu4w.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2303_zpsxmiiycn5.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2304_zpsklgf1yld.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2305_zpsrrtdyohc.jpghttp://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/IMG_2306_zps5jpbiu93.jpg Same more rules - thanks @ Venomlust <3 Hidden Content Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I like the idea of an Outlanders band allied to a Ordo Reductor force. Use as many rad grenades upgrades & pariah over-pressured flamers as possible, and basically bombard/burninate everything. Theme: elimination force comprised of Astartes from traitor legions (IV & XIV Legions, I'm looking at you) accompanied by Reductor contingent. Force returns to Imperium after compliance/elimination mission on Galactic fringe, sees Heresy underway, decides to punish traitor held worlds/traitor forces in only way they know: destroy everything. Heck, maybe even throw in elements of pre-Guillieman XIII Legion 'Nemesis' chapter seen in Book 5. Edit: changed 'Outsiders' to 'Outlanders' as per the correct rule-set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I probably will not do it, as in pretty set on making a new 'legion' per se but this would be my idea. Small band of warriors, originated from the Emperors Children and Sons of Horus. Warriors chosen by their primarchs as those who would stand by their Legions rather than their Emperor and spared their decimation at Istvan 3. Having witnessed the horror of the betrayal from Horus with the orbital bombardment of his own forces in one hand and the spear of 4 traitor legions in the other, they decide action must be taken. Word quickly spreads across the fleets of the Warmaster of that the Eisenstein fled the wrath of Typhon and the Terminus Est. The small band of disillusioned warriors decide that this is the best time to escape. Commandeering a small munitions frigate of the Emperors Children and slaying the humans on board they shut off all engines and propulsion systems and slowly float, towards the edge of the system. Over the weeks following they make rapid stealth missions to the sites of the massacres on Istvaan 3 and 5, the full scale of the ruin wrought by the Warmaster, the mutations of the Emperors Children, the spawn of the Word Bearers, the atrocities caused by Kurze and Perturabo, the Betrayal of Loken and Torgaddon and Tarvitz.. Drawing the last sense of unity from these marines. Stripping their armour of all heraldry of Horus and Fulgrim, they restore their armour to the pearl White of the Luna Wolves, and the brilliant amythyst of the Emperors Children. they adorn at first a Black Helm, a mockery of the red of censure, they intend to show the black of mourning. For Lord Manus. For the hundreds of thousands of marines lost to the firestorms of war. They know they cannot turn the tide of the war. They know they cannot survive the onslaught. They intend to close off to the universe. Raiding Horus' 'compliant worlds' left in the wake of the sluggish crawl of the Warmasters thrust to Terra they find themselves a splintered fragment of what they once were. Months, years later. Word reaches them through civilian morally questionable tradesmen, that Imperium Secondus rises from the ashes of the Emperors presumed defeat, and that Lord Sanguinius has ascended to the throne. Stoked by this betrayal of the Emperor, they decide to enter the fray one final time, making straight for Terra. They shall lay down their lives to to destroy those directly responsible for this treachery. The foot soldiers of the traitors of little concequnce, this war will be won by Hero's and Villains. And Villains must die. Erebus. Abaddon. Aximond. Eidolon. Lucius and Bile. Fulgrim. And the Warmaster himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 ^ That would work well with the 'Orphans of War rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 At minimum, I really want to paint up a squad of 18 marines, one of every legion. Not fussed if they're legal exactly. Finding ways to give them distinguishing characteristics will be tricky but fun. The armour will be all black, no simple painting of the shoulder patch. My FLGS manager has done some KE/Blackshields and they're smashing. Salamanders - Black skin & Drake Cloak, easy World Eater - Chainaxe, easy Space Wolf - Something viking-y/wolfy Emperor's Children - Power Spear Death Guard - pack of rad grenades/destroyer iconography Blood Angel - Burny sword/Chiselled abplate Iron Warrior - Targeting/Machiney gear Raven Guard - dual claws Alpha Legion - Scoped/marksman bolter Darl Angels - Plasma or Volkite custom weapon and winged blade Word Bearer - Lots of Imperial Iconography Thousand Suns - Libby stuff Imperial Fist - Boarding shield? Iron Hands - Decapitated White Scar - Topknot .. unsure Luna Wolf - ??? Night Lord - ??? Chainglaive? Any suggestions welcome :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm currently toying with the idea of a force of Ultramarines that felt like Gulliman has given up on Terra with his Imperium Secundus, so they've stolen a ship and decided to try and make a break for Terra to see for themselves whether it has fallen or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Added some basic information to #1 - also, some inspiration with FW art, thanks @m_r_parker <3 Gerasene Host - Chymeriaes Hidden Content http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/648555F9-2568-416C-AEA9-A3DAD848F01C_zpssev1cif4.jpg Third Covenant: Hidden Content http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/C51C6B5B-C744-4763-B68A-282FD680C901_zpsjxfgk2eo.jpg Mechanicum Black Shields: Hidden Content http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/Events/HH%20Weekender%202016/75D4991F-E1CA-4DB2-ABD6-4662725D4F80_zpswrog0ybw.jpg Ashen Claws (who are afaik Blackshields?) Hidden Content Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Apparently the Ashen Claws are the Raven Guard predation fleets that Corax exiled. I don't remember them being called that, but Nusquam usually knows his stuff so I have no problem taking his word for it. That said, the fact they do not wear the Raven Guard colors and the m_r_parker's post that the Scourging of Nostramo describes them as being "mysterious", I'd wager they certainly fall into the category of being a Blackshield force. Onto the purpose of the topic, if I made a Blackshield force, I think I would have an allied detachment of the Damned. Mostly because you can't take it the other way around. Otherwise I'd just make a huge army of vat-grown monsters and insane child soldiers being sheperded onward by a few Night Lord overseers. Although, I guess I could make that the main army. I'd have to know more about the Dark Herald Consul option though. And I'd want to figure out how to make an image of Scylla small enough to fit on a shoulderpad. A woman with six dog heads and a fish tail can only get so small before the detail goes away lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 And I'd want to figure out how to make an image of Scylla small enough to fit on a shoulderpad. A woman with six dog heads and a fish tail can only get so small before the detail goes away lol. yeah i honestly think a banner would work better than a shoulder pad for this ^^ - atleast if you want to go with 28mm scale Apparently the Ashen Claws are the Raven Guard predation fleets that Corax exiled. I don't remember them being called that, but Nusquam usually knows his stuff so I have no problem taking his word for it. That said, the fact they do not wear the Raven Guard colors and the m_r_parker's post that the Scourging of Nostramo describes them as being "mysterious", I'd wager they certainly fall into the category of being a Blackshield force. Aha ... that's interesting Edit: They are described as pirates and raiders, so I think blackshields would fit ^^ also, they fought against the Ultramarines and Night Lords Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Where do they fight against the Ultramarines? I need this background in my life! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 And yeah, they were a chapter of the XIX legion prior to Corax, and had head-hunter companies: Battle of Hell's Anvil (Unknown Date.M30) - Before uniting with their long-lost Primarch, the XIXth Legion saw over a century of war. During this time they fought at the behest of Horus Lupercal, treated almost as a specialised detachment of the Luna Wolves Legion, one essential to many of the victories later claimed by them that often went unremarked by the Order of Remembrancers. Though their battles were unseen and unremarked on, they were telling in the shape of history. The Battle of Hell's Anvil was typical of many of the XIXth Legion's early engagements, a savage legend that Corax would later seek to repress, and one that exemplified both the similarities in tactics and the difference in character of the warriors that made up the XIXth Legion and later the Raven Guard. Hell's Anvil was the name given by Imperial strategos to a massive fortress situated on the planet of Baratrum. For almost five years the Imperial Army had fought a futile battle to destroy the overseers of the planet, who had long since surrendered their humanity, and capture the world's prodigious mineral wealth for the nascent Imperium. Thousands of lives had been lost and the Imperial Army was unable to secure any foothold in the sunken metropoli of Baratrum. The arrival of a fleet bearing three full Chapters of the XIXth Legion, under overall command of Shade Lord Arkhas Fal, then the Master of the Legion. Accompanied by a sizable contingent of Luna Wolves, this force changed the nature of the campaign. The taskforce's Strike Cruiser began a concussive bombardment directly above the previously unassailable sub-surface fortifications of Hell's Anvil, heedless of the collateral damage to the planet's subterranean population. The massive tectonic force of the bombardment shook the planet to its core, causing severe damage to many of the underground cities. Into this hellish landscape Shade Lord Fal ordered three regiments of Thorosian Voltigeurs, a unit attached to the Imperial Army detachment that had so far failed to assault the fortress, to lead the vanguard assault. Soon they were beset upon by hundreds of frenzied worker-drones. With casualties mounting and the fortress still spewing forth its berserk defenders, a desperate request relayed to the XIXth Legion for reinforcements went unanswered. Waiting until Hell's Anvil had emptied, the combined Space Marine taskforce descended into the bowels of Hell's Anvil. The head-hunter companies of the Ashen Claw Chapter, led by Shade Captain Kirine, were able to hack and blast its way into the interior of the beleaguered fortress, and ruthlessly hacked down the hulking Overseers. After hours of fighting, the XIXth Legion finally discovered Hell's Anvil's titanic plasma reactors. After facing the largest of the Baratrun Overseers, they planted Melta charges amongst the reactor's delicate containment fields, and retreated as suddenly as they had struck, back into the upper levels to detonate the charges. On the surface Shade Lord Fal and his forces had put the frenzied drones to the sword. The destruction of Hell's Anvil saw the swift collapse of the Baratrun resistance, and despite the damage the various factory-warrens had sustained, the envoys of the Mechanicum were able to restart production with only a minor delay, feeding the Imperium's expansion and continued conquest. The Thorosian regiments bore the brunt of the assault's bloody cost, losing over 100,000 soldiers, whereas the XIXth Legion and Luna Wolves had suffered only a few hundred casualties between them, mostly among the Ashen Claws. This cost, though high, was less than might have been expected from a drawn-out siege and the battle was lauded as a mighty victory for the advancing Great Crusade. It also established the reputation of the XIXth Legion as harbingers of death for those units of the Imperial Army assigned to their support. This remnant of their heritage as slave-masters and raiders in the dust plains of Old Earth did not find favour with the Raven Lord when he joined with the XIXth Legion, and this practice was only forgotten, both within and without the Legion, after long years of campaigning under Corax's guidance. Where do they fight against the Ultramarines? I need this background in my life! Some thoughts from me: - Corax send more predation fleets. It's highly possible the Ashen Claws were one of them, now they are back. There leader was probably still Shade Captain Kirine. - Arkhas Fal had the Nicor (probably), and (probably) Carcharodons scheme - i would guess he had his own fleet (but i need the fluff of the ashen claws first) - and later formed the Carcharodons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm intrigued by the idea of new Astartes 'mass-produced' to cope with the attrition rates of the Heresy. For the background for my IH Clan (Brannsar), I'm considering writing some stuff about a cadre of Magos Biologis on their primary allied forge world attempting to vat-grow humans who would be ideally suited for the (modified) induction trials of the Clan, with psycho-indoctrination & neural cyberentics used to mediate the fact they're effectively new-borns. Churning out an army of second-rate Legionaries to fill the Clan's decimated ranks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ooh, that yellow is harsh on the white mobile. Yeah, I didn't doubt Nusquam, I just didn't remember it lol. But yeah, it makes sense the fleets would divide according to Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ooh, that yellow is harsh on the white mobile. Yeah, I didn't doubt Nusquam, I just didn't remember it lol. But yeah, it makes sense the fleets would divide according to Chapter. it's red now, better?^^ So yeah, basically i would like to do: - Ashen Claws: Question here - have Marauder squads access to dreadclaws as dedicated transports? Otherwise I would have problems with just 3 fast attack choices ... Traitor IH: - Half IH/SoH insignias - maybe cross over geneseed, or IH's that think their Primarch was a douche ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Why not have IH who went Traitor because they didn't like their Primarch and have since begun hybridising their gene-seed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Why not have IH who went Traitor because they didn't like their Primarch and have since begun hybridising their gene-seed? thats ... yeah .... that sounds good :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Regarding the Chymeriae, do you guys prefer the idea of fielding them alone as a primary detachment (no allies allowed), or as an allied force? Who could they ally well with? (Other than EC, with the Chymeriae representing Fabius's idon'remembertheirname) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Regarding the Chymeriae, do you guys prefer the idea of fielding them alone as a primary detachment (no allies allowed), or as an allied force? Who could they ally well with? (Other than EC, with the Chymeriae representing Fabius's idon'remembertheirname) the chymeriae above is mentioned to have been co-aligned with the Death Guard and Emperors Children ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm considering expanding upon something Alan Bligh said a few years back - "How do you know there isn't more than one Alpha Legion" lot of possibilities there. Given it's implied that not even Alpharius or Omegon are aware of just exactly what the entirety of their Legion is doing at any given time, or indeed if these Astartes are a part of their Legion, there's rich scope for some action Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archidamus Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I like the idea of using those supposed deaths on Isstvan III or lost fleets like the WE character who didn't get the memo. Unlike a certain survivor their minds aren't as broken but the horrors and pain they endured has certainly fractured them. Instead of returning to the Imperial fold they go out to martyr themselves against the traitors. For they see no future where they could endure in an Imperium where their Legions and Primarch's are traitors. Rylanor could lead them.... Failing that my idea pool is empty. I'll have to make more once I get my hands on the precious. Edit: Army list on 1d4chan for convenience (it does seem to jump to the bottom of the page though...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ooh, that yellow is harsh on the white mobile. Yeah, I didn't doubt Nusquam, I just didn't remember it lol. But yeah, it makes sense the fleets would divide according to Chapter. it's red now, better?^^ So yeah, basically i would like to do: - Ashen Claws: Question here - have Marauder squads access to dreadclaws as dedicated transports? Otherwise I would have problems with just 3 fast attack choices ... Traitor IH: - Half IH/SoH insignias - maybe cross over geneseed, or IH's that think their Primarch was a douche ^^ Oooh, well, we know that the Iron Hands often worked closely with the Sons - the 'Seal of the Eye of Vigilance' honour bestowed by the Warmaster attests to that. Maybe a Clan / Order attached to an Expeditionry fleet away from Ferrus (1/3rd of the entire Legion was away on separate detachments), for whom the Lodge system took root. You could even go with an Order consisting of sub-formations from separate Clans, so when they declared for Hours maybe 1 or 2 divisions within the Order had to be put down because they were staunch Loyalists, and the traitorous remnants would be outcast from their Clans and Legion. Plus, you have to use that techmarine colourscheme from Retribution - I know it's a DG 'Forge Tyrant' Loyalist who stripped his plate & added SoH markings, but it's almost perfect for the mixed IH / SoH iconography company mentioned in Extermination - bare metal plate, one pauldron green with the Eye of Horus, the other black with whatever Xth Legion marking they retain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Might have to revisit my old ideas for the XIX Legion XCIX Company Predation Fleet, since these rules seem to suit them fairly well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Ooh, that yellow is harsh on the white mobile. Yeah, I didn't doubt Nusquam, I just didn't remember it lol. But yeah, it makes sense the fleets would divide according to Chapter. it's red now, better?^^ So yeah, basically i would like to do: - Ashen Claws: Question here - have Marauder squads access to dreadclaws as dedicated transports? Otherwise I would have problems with just 3 fast attack choices ... Traitor IH: - Half IH/SoH insignias - maybe cross over geneseed, or IH's that think their Primarch was a douche ^^ Oooh, well, we know that the Iron Hands often worked closely with the Sons - the 'Seal of the Eye of Vigilance' honour bestowed by the Warmaster attests to that. Maybe a Clan / Order attached to an Expeditionry fleet away from Ferrus (1/3rd of the entire Legion was away on separate detachments), for whom the Lodge system took root. You could even go with an Order consisting of sub-formations from separate Clans, so when they declared for Hours maybe 1 or 2 divisions within the Order had to be put down because they were staunch Loyalists, and the traitorous remnants would be outcast from their Clans and Legion. Plus, you have to use that techmarine colourscheme from Retribution - I know it's a DG 'Forge Tyrant' Loyalist who stripped his plate & added SoH markings, but it's almost perfect for the mixed IH / SoH iconography company mentioned in Extermination - bare metal plate, one pauldron green with the Eye of Horus, the other black with whatever Xth Legion marking they retain. Yep - that was my plan^^ still need to finish a few other things first, but its in my mind :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus.calvariam Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The Ashen Claws symbol looks a lot like the Maelstrom Warders one that the Astral Claws used, coincidence? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain mortis Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Im quite loving the idea of making a blackshields army...something small zone mortalis wise.. Handy timing as was mucking around a few weeks back with a carcharodons, raven guard scheme (see below)...but wasnt really wanting to use raven guard rules.. Now I can use these as a smaller force of blackshields/predation fleet. .. Possibly from the flagship "nicor" I would like to think no one would have issues as they are not painted black As an aside...did I read right that they will be releasing decals for blackshields?? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/chaplainmortis/Mobile%20Uploads/20160126_202243.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319016-black-shields-loyality-unknown-ideas-collection/#findComment-4300897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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