Memento Of Prospero Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Also, why have the primarch help the rebels ? He should see the power in the old emperor, and help him finish off the rebels, and then kill him, and take control himself as the new Emperor. I like the idea of focusing on air craft, have them be the sky hussars. I want his drive for equity and justice to be the entropic force of his relation with the Emperor, ultimately leading to his doom. He will jockey for more and more freedom and power, so the sons rule along side the father, not beneath him. The whole First Among Equals that applies to Horus, will bruise him in a bad way. As he makes his way during the Crusade, he will see the coming of of it's end - and the need for a Warmaster. What better position to leverage demands from the Emperor, supported by trusted brothers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yeah, officers had more panache. Great coats make no sense on power armoured models, but perhaps cloaks or the dragoon caps would give them an edge. How about this? that would be more a color scheme for a chapter. legions have relativly simple color schemes. one main color and most of the time a subcolor. no fancy stuff (even fancy emperors children) I suggest to keep it simple or they wouldn't fit to the other legions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 With the simpler colour idea, what if the red shoulders are white, but the trim is in red ? Would black helmets look out of place ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 If I forgo the red, blue trim and quartered shoulderpads instead. With a black helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Well, the quartered is the main Problem. That cries out chapter chapter chapter. I underwent the same probs with my "wardens of light" and as cool as half or quartered color schemes are, they don't fit into the Legion heraldic. At least for the base troops. Your primarch don't need to habe the same color and could feature that color style for an extra eye candy. Why a black helmet? That would be a 4th color. Ans don't try to force the tri color onto your marines. You Can resemble France without slapping the colors in The face of your enemies. (although that would ne a nice statt for a battle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I am extremely excited to see where you take this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think sticking to the brass might be best in the end. Everything I've tried screams either Ultramarine or chapter. My last idea would be to replace the blue for a teal ish colour, but that might be too bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think staying with brass or copper might be best. And as i stated ealier, your primarch could wear the tricolore. And as a cloak even the french flag. Teal could be to close to sons of horus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Sons of Horus would still be under the Luna Wolves livery at the time of these events, so I doubt it would be a problem. Overall, the brass/copper is something I have not seen exploited and it doesn't scream space frenchmen from space. Would you guys like it if the white arm had the Quartered White and blue on it with the legion iconography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 As for the Legion Heraldry, I came up with a few alternatives to the Triskele. First would be inspired from the Musketeer cross. http://www.bobinette-et-souricette.com/1153-large_default/croix-de-mousquetaire-appliqu%C3%A9-6-tailles.jpg The second, could be crossed pistols with perhaps a rapier down the center? http://www.lesedwards.com/imagebank/9/7/5/975956.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Pistols plus rapier, but a bit more stylized would ne great. Remember you have to paint it in your models. White arm. No quarters. At least for Standard Marines. Special units. Assault etc is another Thing. You could eben make red for assault. Blue for heavy support. And white for tacticals. Of The are veterans add The helmet white amd of aome have special roles. Maybe despoilers who are The mix of assault amd tactucals you Can quarter The arm red white. Or for a tactical with heavy firepower use blue\white ans so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 I am thinking of calling the post primarch reunion XI: The Ardent Dragoons Proposed legion rules: The Thunder of Guns: All models with the Legion Astartes : {Ardent Dragoons} using bolters and heavy bolters gain the Fury of the Legion rule. These weapons gain rending for the duration of Fury of the Legion. Fix Bayonnettes! : All models with the Legion Astartes: {ìnsert name} may forgo overwatch to gain counter attack and +1 strength in close combat if they do not benefit from an additional close combat weapon. Flesh over steel: May not use Drop pods or legion terminators. Must have 2 infantry/artillery units for every non-dedicated, non-flyer vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Hmmm...counter attack okay but +1S os a bit strong:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 With no bonus for additional close combat weapons? That's 2 S5 attacks the first round without overwatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I like the Musketeer Cross, very fancy, not to mention a nice alternative to the far more common Iron Cross. In regards to the colour scheme, why not try a lighter sky blue or blue-steel colouration over the usual ultramarine blue? Also, I'd drop the quartered helm, it looks kinda "meh" IMHO, plus it'd be a massive pain in the ass to paint if you ever want to to produce models of your XI Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Overread The additional cc weapon. But how to justify it plotwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2016 Author Share Posted February 12, 2016 Fix bayonnets to bolters and swing 2 handed. Much like musket fighting. I should limit this ability to models using the bolter in close combat, so things like power fists dont get free stuff ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 I like the Musketeer Cross, very fancy, not to mention a nice alternative to the far more common Iron Cross. In regards to the colour scheme, why not try a lighter sky blue or blue-steel colouration over the usual ultramarine blue? Also, I'd drop the quartered helm, it looks kinda "meh" IMHO, plus it'd be a massive pain in the ass to paint if you ever want to to produce models of your XI Legion. Quartered I have done before, but I get what you mean with it looking meh. I could try blue steel, did not think about it! Should be easy. I hope it doesn't look Alpha legionish. Plus, blue steel would be a great reference to zoolander! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Then you Need The Special char le tigre too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Legion Traditions : Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité Legionnaries are entitled to the right of brotherhood and may participate in Fraternité(warrior lodge) activities if they wish, as long as they do no impeed on their active duties. These brotherhoods forge the core of the legion's values under their reunited primarch, who sees them as a great way to forge character and devellop leadership. Succession at any level, be it squad, company, battaltion or regiment is undertaken by vote. Fraternité (warrior lodge) tokens are used as ballots. During action, field promotions automatically apply to the second, as chosen by the current officer and beyond that by seniority until a vote can be made. Command can always be challenged by right of arms from any legionnary of same rank or one rank bellow. The challenger must fight on the incumbent's weapons of choice and terms. The first to draw blood 3 times without killing his opponent wins the duel. Should either participants die under any circumstances, a leadership vote must immediately take place. On several occasions in the legion's history, legionnaries have chosen death to prevent events they stand against from transpiring. Any legionnary directly under the command of the incumbent may choose to challenge the challenger in return, delaying the original challenge. An incumbent may however not choose a champion to fight in his stead. Only legionnaries willing to oppose a challenger may fight, but never replacing the incumbent's pending challenge should they lose. As such, should a legionnary challenge an officer against the collective will of his brothers, he could potentially have to defeat the entire remains of the unit structure before fighting the incumbent. More to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 So I came up with some legion designs, with the help of a crafty individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Bolt flintlock pistol: one shot, one kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I'm digging the musketeer cross. My only fear is the flintlocks will have too much going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Bolt flintlock pistol: one shot, one kill. I am thinking about making my first legion specific unit a kind of destroyer unit wield archeotechish pistols for this very reason ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 I'm digging the musketeer cross. My only fear is the flintlocks will have too much going on. Make them a little more plain perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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