Cloud Runner Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Hi guys, Starting to make some in roads on my First legion force and going for a few different paint details to differentiate between Calibanite and Terran units. An idea I'm considering is using Dark Angel green (or a variant at least) on the left shoulder beneath the legion bade to denote the unit is Calibanite, based upon the reference in Call of the Lion in the Tales of Heresy anthology - Belath is noted as having a green pad. I have seen mentioned somewhere else on B&C (though the thread escapes me) that this was used to denote something other than purely Caliban origin (trying not to spoiler) but I haven't read that book myself. So, for anyone that has read the other stories/listen to the audio books - can you shed some light on the story behind the green shoulder pad situation please? Ultimately I will probably go with it, but it'd be nice to have some of the background to it - and I might even share some pic's someday Help me B&C'ers, you're my biggest hope Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Personally (and this is just my opinion I have little evidence to back it up) I would give the terrans more aquilas and standard imperial symbolism and markings, the Calibanite legionaries would have more heraldic iconography to match the feudal culture of Caliban. Quartered banners and loin cloths, heraldic combat and storm shields etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4309769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Only Color Difference that I know of is the Lutherians being the ones who wore the Green with those Loyal to the Lion being in Black. Dont know about specific Wing colors, we'll find out when they get a dedicated book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4309810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Only Color Difference that I know of is the Lutherians being the ones who wore the Green with those Loyal to the Lion being in Black. Dont know about specific Wing colors, we'll find out when they get a dedicated book. Wait a second..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4309905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4309968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Slips, could you elaborate on that tidbit? Maybe in spoiler tags for those who don't want to know? Pretty please :-) @Hengist - that's pretty much the plan I'm going with Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I dont actually know all that much beyond that LOL Your best bet would be to ask our "Brothers" in the Dark Angels section since they're likely to know WAAAAY more about this than me. For all I know, I'm totally wrong! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Haha, oh well, I figured it was one of the novellas, or audio or one I hadn't read yet! I've seen that reference somewhere, I think in relation to Wolf King. Really need to find out which books/shorts feature the first Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Calibanites wore green pads while Terrans wore black. This is a bit of a retcon from older fluff that had the places switched and the Lion had the Legion paint up in green for when they landed on Caliban to take on Luther and his traitors. With the new HH timeline, the Calibanites wore the green pad and will probably go full green when it is time to take down Luther as well. Something else for the suggestion bin is using red or white/bone for the iconography. In the Rogue Trader days the Dark Angels were black with red symbols. It was retconned in the 90's IA book to Black with White. Since the HH books showed the knights if the Order with black armor and WHITE surpluses, it is possible that along with the green pad that they have WHITE icons. The old timers from Terra would still have the black with the traditional RED icons. Just to give you another option. I ended up swapping out the white and did Bone iconography mainly to separate them from the Black Templars and it gave them that little bit of something that made them look like the Heresey Era Dark Angels. You can also take the notion of surpluses and have the Calibanites wear surpluses while the Terrans remain in plain armor. The robes are not apparent yet in the timeline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Thanks for the info, really useful and confirms some of my other findings - I'm not going mad! And it's great to have some fluff backings on some of the choices other than just the good old self styled. The basic modelling/painting plan for the army is: Terran standard armour cataphractti clean iconography (almost codex-esque) with a few honour markings almost 'template' like army (given they were THE first it seemed appropriate) Calibanite green left pad occasional white oad - maybe for specific squad type robes/tabards scattered throughout for flavour indomitus termie armour metal trims on shoulders for rank/status heraldry!! home-brew mkV armour style (mix of different legs/torsos/heads plus extras) Modelling wise I hope it will look like the terran's have more of the standard equipment, older items from the early crusade and the Calibanites will have more local armour, for local people and more recent 'innovations' I will be going for white legion badges and possibly red markings similar to 40k and more overly, like the (limited) artwork from the CCG many moons back and really want to try and convey the hidden ranks and mysteries within the markings/styles in a subtke way rather than overtly sticking huge banners and things everywhere Thanks for the feedback and any comments or ideas are eagerly anticipated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millicant Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I am so excited for the mighty First to be covered in a FW book. So excited in fact, that I'm waiting on starting my force until such a book is released. Fortunately I have enough projects to keep me busy until then. Colors are hard for the Primus Legio since most "common" lore told us black armour before the Horus Heresy, and green afterwards. There hasn't historically been much detail beyond that. Ultimately I think that there is huge potential for variants. It was such a large legion that operated in so many places that you can justify a lot that way. Spoilers in recent novels confirm this, and thicken the plot nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Runner Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Millicant, I'd love some of those spoilers - could you maybe PM me the details please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319359-need-help-with-colour-details/#findComment-4310461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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