Victory is Vengeance

[Dagoth Ur]

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Photos, damn you. Photos!

 

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Alright, alright, I've uploaded two photos (albeit shoddy ones, but still photos!) and hope that you don't mind if I link 'em here.

 

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp194/hodoalmir/WP_20160312_010_zpsknvoruv3.jpg

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp194/hodoalmir/WP_20160312_007_zpszcimyoog.jpg

 

The reason they are painted silver here, is that I imagine the ceramite being the colour of the unification warplates, a silvery mist-grey. Hope this helps! :)

 

PS: Unfortunately I haven't got a pic of the Emperor's Child I painted, but I'll whip something up in the next few days if you want. :)

[Slips]

 

A bit of a wide shot and taken with my crappy camera phone but oh well!

 

So, here you go, ADB, some pictures. I paint all my Mk III and Cataphractii in the same way: Primary Color on Overplates, Silver (washed in Drakenhoff and Nuln) on the Underplates.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

Ahhhh ViV, a setting dear to my heart. I'm on the Horus Heresy Adepticon team, and I'm more or less the one running our Tactical Strike campaign day this year. I call it Tactical Strike because I consider Victory is Vengeance to be the name of the specific setting in the book, representing Istvaan. One thing that I love about the base rule set, but that we decided to jiggle a little for the event, is the fact that it is, from the beginning, set up for the Traitors to win. It's not supposed to be a fair fight. But, that's for Istvaan, and doesn't necessarily make for a fun event day.

We changed a lot of specifics in order to make it event-friendly. Mainly, we noticed last year that no one had read the rules at all, and were just having a blast playing willy-nilly and forgetting all kinds of everything. So, we simplified some of the morale rolls and what not. (A main reason for this seems to be the fact that a lot of the people that signed up for the event last year were spectacular painters and modelers, who hardly ever play. And also, who can't get their act together to finish more than a dozen models over the course of a year.)
The main thing that people seem to struggle with is the various Hero Roles, combined with the use or non-use of the Ad-Hoc rules. Essentially, it's easy to abuse some of the Roles by not squadding your dudes up at all, and making all of them individual models. We decided to add incentives to using Ad-Hoc squad, to represent the fact that sometimes, there is power in numbers.  
We also limited the number of AP you can have in your pool at any given time, and attempted to normalize the distribution of points from the various roles by making sure they all could earn the same amount of points in a given turn, and you couldn't just make your Hero a rotorcannon sgt, gain a billion points per turn, and stockpile them all to constantly save your terminators, forever.

Anyway, I could go on at length (more), but I'll just leave you with the link. Again, this is for a friendly event, where half the people playing probably didn't read the actual rules. It's also meant to be resolved in 3 games, so it's not a long campaign. It was, however, super super super fun last year, and I'm pumped to run it again in a few weeks. (If you played last  year, the pack has indeed been updated and is different).

http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2016/2016hhtacstrike.pdf

Also, for some reason, the cover I did for it isn't in that link, so I'm putting it here, because, well, I want you to all tell me how great it is and that I am great.

 

 

*EDIT* I also meant to mention that building a ViV force using all the original Hunters from Istvaan is an awesome way to lead into a force that will eventually use the Hunter-Killer Rite of War. That requires your Warlord to be IIIrd legion, and has some other restrictions, but it's the perfect fit, if you are basing your Strike Force on that setting anyway. You can also use that for ZM. So, what you're looking at, is building your rad strike force with multiple legions, and then picking a few of those to bulk out into whole squads, and using that as a Shattered Legion army using the Hunter-Killer Rite. You don't need the rite for it to work, but it feels authentic to what you are trying to do.

 

[Marshal Rohr]

Heres so WIP from over the past few years for the underlayer.

Back when we started doing it, pre-upscaling:

Post-Spacers:

Ignore the rough GS work (these are prototypes), and where I tried to do the gunmetal AFTER the primary color, which was a royal pain, but these images give a decent look at how I decided what would be gold and what would be left as unfinished cremate.

Also: Mock up of Scout/Scion model, if you were interested.

[aa.logan]

Sorry for the out-of-sequence question, that probably could be answered with a quick google, but can ViV forces include jetbikes? 

 

If not, they really should be able to as they could look mighty cool

[Kizzdougs]

If you ever need tips on how to paint awesome Emperors Children look no further then our very own Kizzdoug

No, to Hell with Kizzdougs. He's too good and I hate him.

You wound me, sir! But thanks for the back handed compliment

An achievement so relatively minor that it deserves none of the huge emotional contentment I've attached to it.

But I don't care.

http://i.imgur.com/iwtRbkr.jpg

Looking good! Neat is definitely the way to go and looks great for the III Legion. You've obviously put a lot of effort into it, and it's paid off :tu:

[Daemon2027]

Sweet, I'm working on some Victory is Vengance models to, going with World Eaters cos that damn amazing book you wrote!

 

He purple looks good so far, I've found it a great colour to paint, and I will say Kizz method is simple and very effective. Do you have any plans to write some background, or is that to much like

your day job?

 

Oh and I agree about the Mark III, I'm planning to use GS to add extra armour to represent Mark III more robust design.

[=Angel=]

 

I keep thinking of a Devastator Vet. Sergeant to go alongside him, either an Emperor's Children one - don't see many EC Devs in armies - or an Iron Warrior one, to mix in some more Legions.

 

Still not sure about the other Leader. Tempting to try for a Chaos All-Stars vibe, and go with some 3-man combo of: Palatine Blade / Gal Vorbak / Night Raptor / Reaver / Iron Havoc / Headhunter / Gravewarden / Rampager / etc. as the ones leading the charge. Tough to decide!

I can't even. How can you perpetuate these stereotypes. It's 2016.

In all seriousness, A world eaters havoc would be rad to model, going nuts and screaming hate as he held down the trigger.

 

Similarly, an Iron Warriors raptor, calculating attack vectors on the fly and hurtling down into a foe at breakneck speed.

 

Or an Emperors Children legionnaire, who is not very good at swordplay, and can't hit anything with his bolter, and thinks the vox is turned up way too high.

 

Scratch that guy, but you get my drift. Bigot.

[Dantay VI]

Can't tell if you are joking or not... If not, then calling ADB a bigot is a bit harsh.

 

While your ideas are cool, I like the World Eater Havoc, what is wrong with ADBvgoing down a more 'traditional' route of character selection for his own army?

 

It is his time, his effort, his money and ultimately his collection.

[A D-B]

I keep thinking of a Devastator Vet. Sergeant to go alongside him, either an Emperor's Children one - don't see many EC Devs in armies - or an Iron Warrior one, to mix in some more Legions.

Still not sure about the other Leader. Tempting to try for a Chaos All-Stars vibe, and go with some 3-man combo of: Palatine Blade / Gal Vorbak / Night Raptor / Reaver / Iron Havoc / Headhunter / Gravewarden / Rampager / etc. as the ones leading the charge. Tough to decide!

I can't even. How can you perpetuate these stereotypes. It's 2016.

In all seriousness, A world eaters havoc would be rad to model, going nuts and screaming hate as he held down the trigger.

Similarly, an Iron Warriors raptor, calculating attack vectors on the fly and hurtling down into a foe at breakneck speed.

Or an Emperors Children legionnaire, who is not very good at swordplay, and can't hit anything with his bolter, and thinks the vox is turned up way too high.

Scratch that guy, but you get my drift. Bigot.

Heee!

Great point, but I usually run with outliers, to try and show Legion/Chapter diversity rather than sticking to stereotypes (Argel Tal was a Word Bearer Assault Captain; Talos was a Night Lords Apothecary and not a Raptor; Hyperion was a Grey Knight Interceptor not a Terminator or Standard Guy; Aeneas was an Ultramarine Assault Marine from a Reserve Company, not an officer or Tac Marine from a Battle Company; Lheor was a World Eater Devastator, etc. etc.) so you can see why it's tempting to play to type on this project instead.

Besides, having a Mark III Tactical Squad of Emperor's Children is already an outlier, and I don't want to overdo it. (Special Snowflake Battalion, report in!)

I know what you mean, though. Definitely worth musing over: the balance between realistic deployments, possibilities, and cool modelling opportunities within a budget.

Sweet, I'm working on some Victory is Vengance models to, going with World Eaters cos that damn amazing book you wrote!

He purple looks good so far, I've found it a great colour to paint, and I will say Kizz method is simple and very effective. Do you have any plans to write some background, or is that to much like

your day job?

There will be background. Oh, yes. There will be background.

I'm resisting the urge to do any of it yet, until I can ascertain what sort of bitz/models we'll have within a few months' span, and what ideas will work points-wise.

If you ever need tips on how to paint awesome Emperors Children look no further then our very own Kizzdoug

No, to Hell with Kizzdougs. He's too good and I hate him.

You wound me, sir! But thanks for the back handed compliment

My God, just shut up, kizzdougs. I hate you so much.

Sorry for the out-of-sequence question, that probably could be answered with a quick google, but can ViV forces include jetbikes?

If not, they really should be able to as they could look mighty cool

They're a crunchy bunch'a points, at the very least.

Heres so WIP from over the past few years for the underlayer.

Yesssssss. That's what I mean. It's awesome that it's such a common theme. That's reassuring.

I'll likely colour-up the over-the-shoulder back plate, too.

http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2016/2016hhtacstrike.pdf

Also, for some reason, the cover I did for it isn't in that link, so I'm putting it here, because, well, I want you to all tell me how great it is and that I am great.

*EDIT* I also meant to mention that building a ViV force using all the original Hunters from Istvaan is an awesome way to lead into a force that will eventually use the Hunter-Killer Rite of War. That requires your Warlord to be IIIrd legion, and has some other restrictions, but it's the perfect fit, if you are basing your Strike Force on that setting anyway. You can also use that for ZM. So, what you're looking at, is building your rad strike force with multiple legions, and then picking a few of those to bulk out into whole squads, and using that as a Shattered Legion army using the Hunter-Killer Rite. You don't need the rite for it to work, but it feels authentic to what you are trying to do.

Firstly, trust me, that link was one of the very first things we stole when we were originally looking into doing ViV, so I'm sure it'll see some use.

Secondly, awesome point about the Hunter-Killer RoW. Muchos gracias, that's definitely worth thinking about. Hmm, I say. Hmmmmmm.

[A D-B]

Can't tell if you are joking or not... 

 

Ha! Pretty sure he's joking, dude. 

 

Also: Montrose, Scotland? Do you know Ben McCallum?

[Atia]

 

 

There will be background. Oh, yes. There will be background.

Oh yay! Free HH short stories ftw :D

[Dantay VI]

Hi, Yes I kind of thought that =Angel= might be joking, but with no smiley face or sarcasm thingamee, ah well.

 

And yes, for my sins, I am from Montrose in Scotland :)

 

But unfortunately no, I do not know Ben McCallum. However Montrose being the small kind of place that it is, I probably know someone who does :D

 

Mofest is on in May if you fancy a trip over this way

[Marshal Rohr]

ADB, which is the over the shoulder back plate?

[Excessus]

ADB, if you want to do your EC more pink, just do them more pink.

I mean, personally I imagine them getting a more and more vivid colour on their armour the further into damnation they go...like here on the front of Angel Exterminatus:

http://img0.reactor.cc/pics/post/Warhammer-40000-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-%22Angel-Exterminatus%22-cover-art-by-Neil-Roberts-994244.jpeg

That's a pretty bright pink.

[Edit]: Also, good job on the helm, looks great! Now onwards with the rest of the model!

[Balthamal]

With regards to pink III Legion, be very careful what you wish for or it'll end up like......

 

 

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag78/chud395/20160313_183711_001_zpsj5ufboob.jpg

 

Life lesson right there in making sure a mix is good before letting it loose on resin :(

 

 

On the upside I'm fairly happy with the beginning of my XX Legion force

 

 

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag78/chud395/20160313_183705_zpsa3wr9aiv.jpg

 

 

Darker than I would have liked but the mix worked out lovely and it's consistent at the very least.

[=Angel=]

Hi, Yes I kind of thought that =Angel= might be joking, but with no smiley face or sarcasm thingamee, ah well.

 

I am always joking and never serious. 

Except for just then.

And then.

And then.

 

I do like outliers, but as ADB said, for a force like this it makes sense to go with legion theme.

You just have to be careful not to over do it . 

[Dantay VI]

Lol, reminds me of dude where's my car, wen they are trying to order drive through.

 

And then!

[A D-B]

 

Hi, Yes I kind of thought that =Angel= might be joking, but with no smiley face or sarcasm thingamee, ah well.

 

I am always joking and never serious. 

Except for just then.

And then.

And then.

 

I do like outliers, but as ADB said, for a force like this it makes sense to go with legion theme.

You just have to be careful not to over do it . 

 

 

That was my first and only criticism of the Deathwatch game, recently. Not that I've seen it in the flesh, mind you, but in terms of the models - after adoring the Genestealer Cultists and loving them to bits, I was a little disappointed with how straight the Space Marines were played. The Blood Angel was the Assault Marine. The Librarian was a Blood Raven. The White Scar was on a bike. Etc. 

 

Seemed like a perfect opportunity to show a little diversity from the Chapters, but I can see why they went with iconic roles, especially to highlight the specialist role of each Space Marine.

 

Still... I'll likely go back to the comfort of generic/outlier characters rather than iconic ones.

 

On another note, Ross caught up on the thread this morning and is now sad that the Iron Hand Apothecary angle is notoriously cheesy. He'd seen relatively few of the rules beforehand, and had an idea for an IH Apothecary to begin with, so he's rethinking that angle himself.

[Macloren]

That was my first and only criticism of the Deathwatch game, recently. Not that I've seen it in the flesh, mind you, but in terms of the models - after adoring the Genestealer Cultists and loving them to bits, I was a little disappointed with how straight the Space Marines were played. The Blood Angel was the Assault Marine. The Librarian was a Blood Raven. The White Scar was on a bike. Etc.

 

Seemed like a perfect opportunity to show a little diversity from the Chapters, but I can see why they went with iconic roles, especially to highlight the specialist role of each Space Marine.

 

Still... I'll likely go back to the comfort of generic/outlier characters rather than iconic ones.

 

On another note, Ross caught up on the thread this morning and is now sad that the Iron Hand Apothecary angle is notoriously cheesy. He'd seen relatively few of the rules beforehand, and had an idea for an IH Apothecary to begin with, so he's rethinking that angle himself.

This is exactly how I feel about the Death Watch box, I would have expected them to be more diverse as the dudes who get sent to the Watch are normally the ones who don't quite fit in with their Battle Brothers, it's a shame as the sets that GW have been producing recently have been excellent, so I was sad when the DW dudes just left me cold, I've been spoiling myself with true-scale DW marines I think! :-)

 

But don't be down in the dumps Ross, if you wanna do an IH Apothicary, go for your guns man!

[Dantay VI]

Ross, doesn't have to make the IH apothecary cheesy though. Or is it unavoidable due to some mandatory rules combination?

Its also a nice twist too, as you'd normally expect them to be the Iron Fathers.

 

I reckon he should go with his gut and make the models he wants, rather than be swayed by folks on the interweb

[=Angel=]

That was my first and only criticism of the Deathwatch game, recently. Not that I've seen it in the flesh, mind you, but in terms of the models - after adoring the Genestealer Cultists and loving them to bits, I was a little disappointed with how straight the Space Marines were played. The Blood Angel was the Assault Marine. The Librarian was a Blood Raven. The White Scar was on a bike. Etc. 

 

 

I think the models are fantastic and hope to pick up a box at some point. I don't even mind the other marines, though this could have been a great opportunity to give Cyrus a model, as he served in the deathwatch- and would square nicely with his knowledge of the hivefleets.

It's that no-one else is on a bike and he's clearly not scouting ahead for his brothers, he's waving a scimitar and screaming Leeroy.

 

I think there's mileage in the idea of an iron hands apothecary, both as a marine from a more mechanical, cold legion in a caring role, forced to consider the fleshy needs of brothers less cold than his own, or conversely, the comedy value in an apothecary who amputates and removes limbs and organs for the slightest complaint.

Pulled a muscle in your back? I can fix that permanently. Hand me the anaesthetic and the spare servos.

[Dantay VI]

I like the look of the deathwatch set, but with my wife losing her job, we are tightening our belts a bit.

 

With the bits there would be scope to make the deathwatch guys from the stories, like Ghost, Pariah, etc...

 

I was having visions of the IH medic trying to treat the wounded, and going

 

"Crap, what the heck is that fleshy bit?".

 

"It's a lung sir!"

 

"Is it important?"

 

" He needs it to breathe sir"

 

"Numeon.... Go, find me a set of bellows and a servo, from the T-Hawks engine!" 

[Balthamal]

What's so "mainstream" or cheesy about IH apothecaries?

[Atia]

I like the look of the deathwatch set, but with my wife losing her job, we are tightening our belts a bit.

With the bits there would be scope to make the deathwatch guys from the stories, like Ghost, Pariah, etc...

I was having visions of the IH medic trying to treat the wounded, and going

"Crap, what the heck is that fleshy bit?".

"It's a lung sir!"

"Is it important?"

" He needs it to breathe sir"

"Numeon.... Go, find me a set of bellows and a servo, from the T-Hawks engine!"

You .... made my day