exsanguis Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hey guys, I am coming around to the idea of doing an Armoured Breakthrough list for use against the players in my meta who use 40k armies, and I'm thinking Iron Hands might be the way to go. What's better than one Orth? A mini-Orth to go with him! Here's what I have so far: Praetor - Jetbike, Iron Halo, Familiar, Paragon Blade Goes with Jetbike Squadron. Orth Jumps in the elite Sicaran. Master of Armour - Sicaran with Lascannons Jetbikes x3 - Melta Bombs, Volkite Culverin Praetor goes here. Predator - Autocannon, HB Sponsons Predator - Autocannon, HB Sponsons Support Squad x10 - Calivers, AA, Rhino Sicaran - Lascannons Venator Vindicator - LDA Vindicator - LDA Thoughts? Low on bodies, but I guess that's the point of this RoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedratsailor Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 List looks good other than having your warlord being a vehicle, couple of grav/melta shots and you have a dead warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 The Praetor is the Warlord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Of the 3 potential Warlords, here's how it plays out:Praetor - Master of the Legion says he should be the Warlord to use Master of the Legion to get Rites. Confusing, but moving on...Castrmen Orth - Could be if someone else didn't have to be.Master of Armour - The Rite overrides the Master of the Legion rule and specifically states that if you take this guy, he is the army's Warlord. It would be very nice if Orth had a restricted version of Master of the Legion where he only had access to a handful of Rites (Armoured Spearhead & Armoured Breakthrough, for example). Alas, you have to shoehorn in a Praetor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 Oh well, I guess that's not a huge deal. I could drop the Praetor back to a Delegatus to save points. Someone on heresy30k pointed out that the IH LA rule means I need more infantry than Jetbikes :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trydragon Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 So in that case easy fix, Take out the jet bikes take a Delegatus with a 5 man command squad with your preferred weapon load out in a LR, basicly your list above with an extra tank in it and no silly Jet bikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is it worth it with the Command Squad to go melee heavy? My guess is they won't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trydragon Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 TBH, there tooled to be in combat Arti armour WS5 all can have Power weapons all can have Combat Shields, you can attach an Apothcary to them there Sargent has a 2 wounds all can issues challenges there Nails if you can get them in to combat. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I think a command squad in a raider is the best way to go for armored breakthrough. Sure, they could be your only infantry bodies on the table so might not last long, but there's no need to race them right into combat. Wait till your tanks have withered down potential threats, then go for a later game assault. Sure, their land raider could be destroyed early, but with so many tanks on the board I think the raider is hardly your opponent's priority to deal with. Plus with an apothecary and combat shields, the unit is decently tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I am considering using a Damocles to transport a Command Squad. It's cheaper, has a (1 shot) Barrage weapon and can influence Reserve rolls. Probably gonna waste it's Deep Strike enhancements, unfortunately. If I took a Raider it'd probably be a Proteus with the Augury Web to again, mess with / enhance Reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 How about this instead: Alexis Polux - Armoured Breakthrough Command Squad x5 - Combat Shields, Melta Bombs, 5x Power Weapons Land Raider Proteus Master of Armour Sicaran Battle Tank - Lascannon Sponsons Predator x1 - Heavy Bolter Sponsons Predator x1 - Heavy Bolter Sponsons Support Squad x8- Volkite Calivers, Artificer Armour, Rhino Apothecarion Detachment x2 - Artificer Armour Vindicator - Laser Destroyer Array Vindicator - Laser Destroyer Array Sicaran Venator 1750 on the nose. So, some questions: 1. Polux or a Delegatus with a Solarite Power Gauntlet and some other kit? 2. Command Squad or Templar Brethren? 3. Apothecaries - should they have AA or a Scanner? I figure AA for the Command Squad to help tank and maybe a Scanner for the Support Squad for when they disembark. 4. Drop one of the Apothecaries and max out the Support Squad. More bodies or the FNP and extra 2+ save? 5. No Armoured Ceramite. Not a big deal against 30k, as most probably don't bother with Melta anymore, but against 40k... Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trydragon Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 First off changing from IH is heresy :P 1. Polux is good HQ Being Str 5 with a thunder hammer is fun and he got a 3++ 2. Command Squad or Templar Brethren that down to you only if you take a 5 man Squad is the Command Squads Sarge has 2 W and his Banners makes them fearless rather then rerolling Failed Moral Checks. 3. for Apoth in this list I go for AA 4. Again thats more of a you thing Its Do i want 4 more shots or a 5+ FNP 5. depends on how you ask I use Magna-Meltas on my Preds more of an Anti-Teq a Str8 AP1 large blast on a units is still devastating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Take 3, back with the Iron Hands this time. This list also uses my beloved Fellblade: Iron Hands Armoured Breakthrough 2500 (2500pts) Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) HQ Legion CenturionArtificer Armour, Cyber-familiar, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Refractor Field Consul Delegatus Rite of Command Master of the LegionArmoured Breakthrough Master of Armour Legion Sicaran Battle TankArmoured Ceramite, Blessed Autosimulacra, Lascannons Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth Troops Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron Legion Predator TankBlessed Autosimulacra, Lascannons Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron Legion Predator TankBlessed Autosimulacra, Lascannons Legion Tactical Support SquadLegion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 8x Legion Space Marines, Volkite Calivers Legion SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs Elites Legion Sicaran Battle TankArmoured Ceramite, Blessed Autosimulacra, Lascannons Heavy Support Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron Legion Predator TankExecutioner Plasma Cannon, Lascannons Legion Predator TankExecutioner Plasma Cannon, Lascannons, Machine Spirit Legion Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron Legion Vindicator TankLaser Destroyer Array, Machine Spirit Legion Vindicator TankLaser Destroyer Array Sicaran Venator Tank DestroyerBlessed Autosimulacra Legion Legion AstartesLoyalist, X: Iron Hands Lord of War Legion FellbladeArmoured Ceramite, Blessed Autosimulacra, Space Marine Legion Crew Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 The fellblade model is awesome, definetly worth including in the list. My one concern with the list is what the one infantry squad is going to do, they feel a bit out of place when there's literally no other infantry to distract enemy firepower. That being said, being iron hands that does work out better for you as they are tougher, and that many tanks seems like a lot of fun. As far as your tank selection goes I think you're spot on, you've got some nice anti infantry and anti armor tanks, perfect mix of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 One thought was to drop the plasma Preds for another Support Squad with plasma and a Master of Signal if points allowed. But I then figured 20 infantry and 2 Rhinos will die just as quickly at 2.5k points as 10 infantry and 1 Rhino so MOAR TANKZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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