Grand Master Laertes Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 why limit it to only one 'home world'? Are we sure that it was limited to one home world? Surely the first Space Wolves were of Terran origins, didn't they have the Canis Helix gene? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Wait... Russ is confirmed alive in the Warp kicking ass?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Not that I know of. For all things, the return of the wulfen without him should indicate that he's no more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, the Fang subforum is sure that it's Bran Redmaw Bran got FW rules, but no model He is the wolf lord closer to falling to the Wulfen curse The names mentioned are all names presented by FW in the Imperial Armor book At the end of the previous story, Bran had yet to appear back in the Fenrisian system. He (and Ragnar) were too far away to join the purging Wolf force Not that I know of. For all things, the return of the wulfen without him should indicate that he's no more. May I ask how you came to that conclusion? No problem, and I admit that was a lazy part of my post (typing on my cell at work isnt the best way to do a good reply), but I do generally believe the Canis Helix and it's reaction to the Warp to be an built in feature. there is ALOT of debate on the Emperor and his creation process of the Primarchs, what went in and came out, and I do believe that certain "features" were built in to them. the Canis Helix...unusual reaction to extreme stress and the Warp would create a good weapon against the denizens of the Warp, especially when combined with the native beliefs of the Fenrisians. I think this is part of why the Canis Helix is unable to be duplicated in somebody not of Fenrisian heritage, a sort of built in handicap to prevent abuse of it. but thats a whole other discussion. WLK You raise an interesting point but there's a couple of issues with that theory that leap out immediately to me. Whilst I agree that Fenrisians are 'somewhat' unique in their outlook and culture, if you're going to tie a warp combating gene to one of your new pet project 'The Primarchs!' (I ref the Emperor himself not the upcoming series), why limit it to only one 'home world'? Tying it to 20 home worlds and only those worlds would still limit abuse. But garner 20 times the reward. Which then raises my second issue, as this theory assumes the Emperor knew where Primarch infants would be landing and raised and would have factored in Fenrisian genetics into his plans. Which in turn opens a whole other can of worms. Which is why I would still state that the flaws were abberation not design. It's off topic though hugely interesting. Maybe we should take it to PM :) Saa............. ........or something like that Edit - Clarity The Age Of Darkness subforum has a (I think 30+page) thread on the nature/nurture debate and how to does or does not apply to the Primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 It's definitively Redmaw, I read it totally wrong the first time. If you look up the Marines mentioned in the bit they're all named ones from Redmaw's company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saa Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, the Fang subforum is sure that it's Bran Redmaw Bran got FW rules, but no model He is the wolf lord closer to falling to the Wulfen curse The names mentioned are all names presented by FW in the Imperial Armor book At the end of the previous story, Bran had yet to appear back in the Fenrisian system. He (and Ragnar) were too far away to join the purging Wolf force Not that I know of. For all things, the return of the wulfen without him should indicate that he's no more.May I ask how you came to that conclusion? No problem, and I admit that was a lazy part of my post (typing on my cell at work isnt the best way to do a good reply), but I do generally believe the Canis Helix and it's reaction to the Warp to be an built in feature. there is ALOT of debate on the Emperor and his creation process of the Primarchs, what went in and came out, and I do believe that certain "features" were built in to them. the Canis Helix...unusual reaction to extreme stress and the Warp would create a good weapon against the denizens of the Warp, especially when combined with the native beliefs of the Fenrisians. I think this is part of why the Canis Helix is unable to be duplicated in somebody not of Fenrisian heritage, a sort of built in handicap to prevent abuse of it. but thats a whole other discussion. WLK You raise an interesting point but there's a couple of issues with that theory that leap out immediately to me. Whilst I agree that Fenrisians are 'somewhat' unique in their outlook and culture, if you're going to tie a warp combating gene to one of your new pet project 'The Primarchs!' (I ref the Emperor himself not the upcoming series), why limit it to only one 'home world'? Tying it to 20 home worlds and only those worlds would still limit abuse. But garner 20 times the reward. Which then raises my second issue, as this theory assumes the Emperor knew where Primarch infants would be landing and raised and would have factored in Fenrisian genetics into his plans. Which in turn opens a whole other can of worms. Which is why I would still state that the flaws were abberation not design. It's off topic though hugely interesting. Maybe we should take it to PM :) Saa............. ........or something like that Edit - Clarity The Age Of Darkness subforum has a (I think 30+page) thread on the nature/nurture debate and how to does or does not apply to the PrimarchDude, you're strawmanning me. Tsk I was refuting YOUR point about the Canis Helix being restricted to Fenrisian applicants. That was your schtick and I was following YOUR theory. I R Dissapoint :/ Saa................ ........or something like that Edit - Clarity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 No, the Fang subforum is sure that it's Bran Redmaw Bran got FW rules, but no model He is the wolf lord closer to falling to the Wulfen curse The names mentioned are all names presented by FW in the Imperial Armor book At the end of the previous story, Bran had yet to appear back in the Fenrisian system. He (and Ragnar) were too far away to join the purging Wolf force Not that I know of. For all things, the return of the wulfen without him should indicate that he's no more.May I ask how you came to that conclusion? No problem, and I admit that was a lazy part of my post (typing on my cell at work isnt the best way to do a good reply), but I do generally believe the Canis Helix and it's reaction to the Warp to be an built in feature. there is ALOT of debate on the Emperor and his creation process of the Primarchs, what went in and came out, and I do believe that certain "features" were built in to them. the Canis Helix...unusual reaction to extreme stress and the Warp would create a good weapon against the denizens of the Warp, especially when combined with the native beliefs of the Fenrisians. I think this is part of why the Canis Helix is unable to be duplicated in somebody not of Fenrisian heritage, a sort of built in handicap to prevent abuse of it. but thats a whole other discussion. WLK You raise an interesting point but there's a couple of issues with that theory that leap out immediately to me. Whilst I agree that Fenrisians are 'somewhat' unique in their outlook and culture, if you're going to tie a warp combating gene to one of your new pet project 'The Primarchs!' (I ref the Emperor himself not the upcoming series), why limit it to only one 'home world'? Tying it to 20 home worlds and only those worlds would still limit abuse. But garner 20 times the reward. Which then raises my second issue, as this theory assumes the Emperor knew where Primarch infants would be landing and raised and would have factored in Fenrisian genetics into his plans. Which in turn opens a whole other can of worms. Which is why I would still state that the flaws were abberation not design. It's off topic though hugely interesting. Maybe we should take it to PM :) Saa............. ........or something like that Edit - Clarity The Age Of Darkness subforum has a (I think 30+page) thread on the nature/nurture debate and how to does or does not apply to the PrimarchDude, you're strawmanning me. Tsk I was refuting YOUR point about the Canis Helix being restricted to Fenrisian applicants. That was your schtick and I was following YOUR theory. I R Dissapoint :/ Saa................ ........or something like that Edit - Clarity Er, I thought I was redirecting the conversation of roles to a thread that has debated it for a long, long time. i missed what you were saying about restrictions of the Canis Helix to Fenrisians, and when I am at home will happily hunt through my crap and find where it has been stated in fluff, because I am sure that it has been stated in universe. Off the top of my head, I know the whole point of Magnus's invasion of the Fang was to destroy the Wolves work in adapting their geneseed for non-Fenrisians and halting the Wolves attempt to mass produce successor Chapters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4344515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 The second story is out and sees the return of Ragnar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4389811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Yep. I guess they're going with 2 month release schedule for this which sucks balls but whatever. Second chapter was a whole lot of nothing...that's the problem with these serialized novels oh, Canis Wolfborn got killed, there's that, but not much else besides Ragnar coming tbh with the way they've been killing off Chapter Masters as a way of 'advancing' the plot, odds are that Ragnar will become CM of the SW by the end of the novel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4389836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 The first one released on March 21st, this one on May 9th. Seems like missed a couple of mondays. Schedule-wise, today should have been The Red Path #3. Not like BL has managed to keep up with their serializations anyway. The Black Rift of Klaxus was often a month late or more with no word at all. They seriously killed off Canis? Not that it bothers me, but his model was fairly recent. Previous deaths from Warzone Damocles were mostly for characters whose models were ancient (and finecast at best) or didn't exist despite high positions. I really doubt Grimnar will fall. Not with his sled so fresh on the market, and Ragnar is a model short. I'll discount that old, odd one we had ages ago. I'm still trudging through the Legends of the Dark Millennium: Space Wolves stories that apparently lead into Curse of the Wulfen. Another serialized thing (but by four authors, I believe this one is just Robbie's). Really dislike how they bundled them up as a LotDM installment - all the others sans Farsight were short story/novella collections, some old, some new. There's nothing "Legends" about a straight forward novel that is so close to the current timeline. Hopefully I can get through the remaining three and a half parts quickly so I can get to Curse of the Wulfen soon. Maybe Part three of the Legacy of Russ will even be out by the time I'm done. One can dream, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4389919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The second story is out and sees the return of Ragnar. again they are making unkillable space puppies...... Second short was a whole lot of nothing and BORING as hell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4390494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 How do you even get "unkillable" out of it? Canis is DEAD. The "whole lot of nothing" is more or less down to it being a serialized novel split up into short stories. We don't even know if this one was written with that model of distribution in mind or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4390546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 The Dark Angels are like being made to behave like keystone cops IMO. I'm not sure if this is done to portray the Wolves better or whatnot. I do know that I am biased though. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4392031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Why are you even reading SW stories, HeritorA???? Don't get it. Even the slightest discussion about SW is haunted by your rage post. So unnecessary. -.- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4392889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Why are you even reading SW stories, HeritorA???? Don't get it. Even the slightest discussion about SW is haunted by your rage post. So unnecessary. -.- Good idea. But it's not only the Wolves. Storywise and prose level - both shorts are horrible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4392983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Deleted one post for posting spoilers without tagging it. The story has been out for 1 day, be nice people Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4409009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 canis wolfborn is still alive Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4409016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 The crusade fleet opened fire on Midgardia. Which is problematic: ‘It’s not one wolf,’ Conran had snapped back. ‘Logan Grimnar is down there. Egil Iron Wolf is down there. Our jarls, our champions, the greatest living heroes of our Chapter. I will not be the one to abandon them.’ Meanwhile, Ragnar is approached by an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus who wishes for an audience to discuss the Dark Angels. He believes they are trying to cover up a taint of their own by going after the Wolves, a greater one. ‘Not safe,’ de Mornay allowed. ‘But at least certain. Discussing matters face to face would be preferable to this. Your Chapter wards others away with the appearance of savagery, but your souls are not dark. I know Chapters that are.’ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4411061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Part 4 is out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4412900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Already?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Yeah it's on Bl'S page now http://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/prod-home-bl/broken-crown-eshort.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 They've just been very late the past few times, and skipped weeks. Bladestorm is over, so right now its only The Red Path and Legacy of Russ. Besides, if GW wants to release part two before the holiday season, one part a month won't do the trick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Less than 8 weeks to go til kiddies are off school Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I better took 1 story in months, then that bolter-porn, daemon sludge abomination which is Wulfen and SW subscription Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I better took 1 story in months, then that bolter-porn, daemon sludge abomination which is Wulfen and SW subscription wow. I'm about to start the series. Is it that it seems to you like mindless bolter porn or does it attempt (fail?) at character development? All critiques are welcome but since this one has such a strong reaction I'm just curious, that's all. thx Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320623-the-lost-king/page/2/#findComment-4413994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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