Grizzly Adams Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 So I really enjoy playing with my pyroclasts but hate that they can only take land raider transports, which to this point has always been a phobos with ceramite and dozer blade for 275pts. The thought crossed my mind that saving 50pts for the proteus could be a viable option, as they aren't really an assault unit anyway, and wall of death overwatch essentially would let me shoot twice against a counter charge. I thought if simply using as a transport, the proteus could be a better option for the pyroclasts. Does anyone have any experience with the proteus's good or bad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 The proteus occupies a bit of an odd spot. Land raiders are probs a little over priced as far as things go. However theyre definitely useable and theme-y as hell. I'll admit I steer clear of them since I'm all 12th legion. However, I've seen them used pretty darn well for seeker squads and tactical support squads armed with combo-plasmas and meltas respectively. Both of these seem like they fulfill a similar close fire-support role to the pyroclasts. The AV14 is great for keeping them snug and much safer than a rhino, but won't draw as much fire as a Spartan as long as you have good target saturation in your list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I'm a big fan of Pyroclasts. A Proteus for them is fine, especially if you're running less than 10. It can also Scout, I believe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Proteus is awesome for Pyroclasts!!! Though it does get more expensive, I'd without a doubt toss the explorator augury on it to get scout and reserve manipulations. Since your guys use flamer templates, scouting up 12" then being within flamer range T1 is a terrifying thing. I believe if you use the Sally RoW (not overly familiar) that you get a 5++ against meltas and other weapons on the Proteus. Therefore saving you points for armored ceramite :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Scouting up 12" will make it the number 1 target, unfortunately. You could still try and get it up-field and behind some terrain. Will definitely scare your opponent, though :-D Depends on the table you play on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I don't see why you'd ever use a phobos for pyroclasts, it's not an assault unit so clearly doesn't need an assault vehicle transport. Safe yourself the 50pts and take a proetus, or give the proteus scout to get in flamer range faster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 I hadn't noticed the augery, that could come in handy. My current setup would Be: 7 Pyroclasts: Pyroclast Warden (power fist); 6 Pyroclasts; melta bombs 250 • Land Raider Proteus: dozer blade 205 455 points With the Covenant of Fire to get 5++ melta save, that should keep them cheap enough to stay viable. A Spartan with Vulkan in it should help keep the fire off of it. And the model looks sweet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Augury is defo worth the 50 points. Sure the unit will be a high priority, but you're going to have a unit of firedrakes too (you are playing sallies right? :P) that will be #1 priority. Unless you're playing on a poker table, you should be able to get some form of cover or LoS blocking terrain. Plus you'll have two TL lascannons likely on side armor from the proteus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yeah, if you have some Firedrakes in a Landraider or Spartan, they'll still be the top priority which would allow the Pyroclasts to get up close. Besides, having a few av14 vehicles is better than having one! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 I didn't think I was allowed to play Salamanders if I didn't take firedrakes in a Spartan. Pretty sure it was in the signup sheet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/320760-land-raider-proteus-vs-photos-for-pyroclasts/#findComment-4345319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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