Marshal Loss Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Marshal, I think it would have been cool to have new traitor ｃharacters being the big wigs of the Legions. So when the war came we could see them dying along the way to and at the Siege of Terra. In some cases that is true. But it feels like the 40k big guys started out as big guys in 30k :/ Those guys like Lucius and Khârn could have been normal line officers that along the way to the Siege of Terra and the Scouring could have ascended into high positions. I really like how Talos is just some apothecary in the background (as of now). Sevatar is the big baddie and hes gone in 40k. This is the mother of all wars the. If the those in the Legion Hierarchies were content to watch the battles from afar it would make sense. But these guys go deep into the battle attempting to change the outcomes. And they come out of the Heresey and Scouring in one piece (granted some can ascend.) Which is why I liked Cairo. Wraight made him seem important very quickly and then axed him. Well done. For the record, I agree - I'm merely explaining why this is the case Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4375421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Marshal, I think it would have been cool to have new traitor ｃharacters being the big wigs of the Legions. So when the war came we could see them dying along the way to and at the Siege of Terra. In some cases that is true. But it feels like the 40k big guys started out as big guys in 30k :/ Those guys like Lucius and Khârn could have been normal line officers that along the way to the Siege of Terra and the Scouring could have ascended into high positions. I really like how Talos is just some apothecary in the background (as of now). Sevatar is the big baddie and hes gone in 40k. This is the mother of all wars the. If the those in the Legion Hierarchies were content to watch the battles from afar it would make sense. But these guys go deep into the battle attempting to change the outcomes. And they come out of the Heresey and Scouring in one piece (granted some can ascend.) Which is why I liked Cairo. Wraight made him seem important very quickly and then axed him. Well done. For the record, I agree - I'm merely explaining why this is the case Plus the death rate with each book closer to Terra would be imploding exponently. For example we all know that Meduson will have Tybalt Marr's head (as Abnett written - he got the prize, but not on that day). We know that half of the Death Guard; Iron warriors command stuff would be killed, broken, reversed - whatever. So where would a lot of promotions till and after Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4375442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Good read. The Scars were great. Morty got a bit of a spot light. Eidolon had his moments. Some political machinations going on, like the Beast series. Lots of back ground tidbits. Liked how no one knew where Fulgrim had gone. Eveyone just shrugs their shoulders. Oh hell turn up... probably. I guess Arvida is confirmed to be off to the GK. Though how they knew he was expected and not everything else going on. Is beyond me. Pity about the ending. But Wraight had to fit the Valka in somewhere. Even some true wolves of Fenris were mentioned. So I guess Russ's lateness to Terra has been retconned so he gets a spot in the Heresy. Like Guilliman. Russ was at Terra by Vengeful Spirit already, seen there with Dorn and Malcador. He got rescued by Dark Angels from Alaxxes, which was covered in Wolf King by Wraight. His plan, however, is to set off again to hunt down Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4375633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 chris wraight has to write about the siege of terra this book just elevated him into top tier, his writing is so measured absolutely incredible! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4376722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 chris wraight has to write about the siege of terra this book just elevated him into top tier, his writing is so measured absolutely incredible! He will. Oh, he will. 99% sure he's setting up a fight between Daemon Mortarion and the Khan on Terra, as the final chapter in both of their heresy-long arcs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4376787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Good read. The Scars were great. Morty got a bit of a spot light. Eidolon had his moments. Some political machinations going on, like the Beast series. Lots of back ground tidbits. Liked how no one knew where Fulgrim had gone. Eveyone just shrugs their shoulders. Oh hell turn up... probably. I guess Arvida is confirmed to be off to the GK. Though how they knew he was expected and not everything else going on. Is beyond me. Pity about the ending. But Wraight had to fit the Valka in somewhere. Even some true wolves of Fenris were mentioned. So I guess Russ's lateness to Terra has been retconned so he gets a spot in the Heresy. Like Guilliman. Russ was at Terra by Vengeful Spirit already, seen there with Dorn and Malcador. He got rescued by Dark Angels from Alaxxes, which was covered in Wolf King by Wraight. His plan, however, is to set off again to hunt down Horus. Which at this point is like a infant setting out to hunt a kodiak bear. Or a tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4376834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Good read. The Scars were great. Morty got a bit of a spot light. Eidolon had his moments. Some political machinations going on, like the Beast series. Lots of back ground tidbits. Liked how no one knew where Fulgrim had gone. Eveyone just shrugs their shoulders. Oh hell turn up... probably. I guess Arvida is confirmed to be off to the GK. Though how they knew he was expected and not everything else going on. Is beyond me. Pity about the ending. But Wraight had to fit the Valka in somewhere. Even some true wolves of Fenris were mentioned. So I guess Russ's lateness to Terra has been retconned so he gets a spot in the Heresy. Like Guilliman. Russ was at Terra by Vengeful Spirit already, seen there with Dorn and Malcador. He got rescued by Dark Angels from Alaxxes, which was covered in Wolf King by Wraight. His plan, however, is to set off again to hunt down Horus. Which at this point is like a infant setting out to hunt a kodiak bear. Or a tank. Yup. The authors are really hammering home what Molech did to Horus, he's well beyond his brothers now. Loved the description of him here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 It's doubtful whether Russ could beat pre-Heresy Horus Taking on Chaos Horus would be suicide...but Russ is a stubborn, headstrong character. It's not exactly out of his character to try to ambush Horus perhaps? Still not too crazy about this idea of Russ returning to Terra only to abandon it out of hus desire to be on the offensive with his severely weakened legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yeah, I am not a fan of Russ having returned to Terra at all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineswords Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 No time to write detailed spoilers, suffice to say this is the highlight of the entire series for me by a long margin. EXCELLENTLY written, and Wraight never fails to surprise, whilst laying down major plot points for both the Heresy and beyond. 10/10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 I actually felt sad after finishing this one Slow info-heavy start...but ended on a tremendous note Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I actually felt sad after finishing this one imagine how we'll feel at the end when malcador takes his places on that throne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetor of Calth Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 This book certainly seems to have set up alot of plot threads for upcoming books. But more importantly for me, just how on Earth is Sanguinius going to get to Terra. This book showed us the Scars had to go to extreme measures and they weren't even on the other side of the galaxy. I want to say the Pharos will have something to do with it, but after "Pharos", the novel I don't really see how. Here's hoping we get a BA book that runs parallel to this one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4377654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 The book is not without a few minor flaws 1. Eidolon is described as only deadly because of his voice early on...later he turns out to be a juiced-to-the-gills thunderhammer-wielding close combat monster in a duel - so just a tad inconsistent 2. The beginning of the novel is very information-dense... In rather quick succession, it introduces three groups of EC: Cario (the Palatine Blade leader) and his ship the Suzerain, Konenos and Erato and their ship the Ravisher, and Eidolon and Von Kalda and their ship the Proudheart. It was a tad bit hard to keep track of these three parties. Also...they attack the Memnos Convoy, anticipating that the EC will treat the attack as a diversion and respond by fortifying the Gate, thus leaving Dark Glass open. All this info is conveyed a bit clunkily. 3. Don't think Konenos was a necesaary character. Don't think he added much 4. As for Qin Xa his death felt a bit premature These are all relatively minor gripes about one of the best HH books to date. Pharos was tolerable. This was veru entertaining, especially toward the end Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 For me, the title of the book alone was gold. But even more so after actually reading the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I agree. Maybe it is just refreshing to have an outstanding book in the series be published after quite a few boo boos, but this one might be the best yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I enjoyed the first few chapters and Wraight's take on the EC and how they were adapting to "change" Wasn't OTT like previous author's attempts at describing Fulgrim's boys Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 For me, the title of the book alone was gold. But even more so after actually reading the book. Agreed. The significance of the term had been set up nicely in the previous WS books but when it became apparent that there was an actual, literal path to (through?) heaven, I could almost hear the rimshot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I desperately need this book. Any interesting info on Jaghatai? On his mind and interactions other characters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus.calvariam Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 He had a really awkward conversation with the Emperor once, which I thought was really cute. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 We get to see him talking to the Emperor? That information would make my day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 We get to see him talking to the Emperor? That information would make my day It's (IIRC) two brief flashbacks and retrospectives, no more than a few lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Alright, I have it! :D Thanks to a fellow, I am finally able to read it as an e-book. Need to read the last pages of Brotherhood of the Storm. And then! Tension! Joy! Felicity! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4378848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 This book certainly seems to have set up alot of plot threads for upcoming books. But more importantly for me, just how on Earth is Sanguinius going to get to Terra. This book showed us the Scars had to go to extreme measures and they weren't even on the other side of the galaxy. I want to say the Pharos will have something to do with it, but after "Pharos", the novel I don't really see how. Here's hoping we get a BA book that runs parallel to this one. I could be remembering it incorrectly but I am sure that The Lion introduced us to a Mechanicum held Xenos or mutated human child who had the ability to give / take you where you want if you have a clear enough vision of what that is...it's been a long time since i read that story but I am sure that is how the Dark Angels were able to abush and smash the Night Lords as comprehensivly as they did at the beginning of Prince of Crows. At the end of Pharos Sanguinius near demanded that the Lion be tracked down and brought before him, it could be that through the events of Angels of Caliban this happens and the truth of how he has been able to jump his fleet to where he chooses is revealed and that is how the BA return to Terra? I've not got the White Scars latest outing as of yet but from what ive read here it does not dissapoint! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4379319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Also, I like the whole reinforcement of the Strike - Withdraw - Strike principle that the WS practice. As well as more examples that even though the WS like to move fast, they can be very crafty, quiet and patient in laying an ambush. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321010-path-of-heaven-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4379504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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