Lord Asvaldir Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 After coming across this army: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/567529.page, and after sampeling Death Guard in a few games, I'm considering starting a DG army, esspecially since they can be battle brothers with my Night Lords. My one obstacle though is I have no love for their paint scheme at all, though I really like that Dusk Raider Army. On the other hand, I don't like mark II or III armor at all, not to mention it's more expensive since BaC, so I want to make a DG army set during the heresy, but with the Dusk Raiders color scheme. Is there any lore president for say one company of a legion keeping to an their pre-primarch colors? Or perhaps just a company that opts to have their own unique color scheme? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 You could run them as outcasts from the legion, a company that fell out of favor with Mortarion.... Kinda like the Raven guard Nomad Predation fleets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, that's part of my conundrum, I'm a big fan of Mortarion, especially rules wise he's awesome. Couldn't start a DG army and not eventually pick up Mortarion, so I'd rather figure out a fluff justification for my company still being part of the legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 There's not really a fluffy way to do that. The instant Morty got his Legion, he changed everything. They're either Dusk Raiders, or they're Death Guard. You can't have Death Guard fighting alongside the primarch in Dusk Raiders colors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yeah, I can definitely see running loyalist outcasts in Dusk Raider colors, or even traitors who want to distance themselves from Mortarion during his fall to the warp and sorcery. But there isn't a fluffy way to run heresy era DG in Dusk Raider colors while having them fight alongside Mortarion. There is some wiggle room for having your DeathGuard with alternate schemes as Legions were big things with room for some individuality. (For example, inverting the legion colors for an elite force, or changing a pauldron color for unique divisions within a Legion), but if you go with the Dusk Raiders scheme, that's a pretty stark departure from he Legion colors, and not something you would see in a heresy force with Mortarion. That said, create the army you want paint and play, even if it doesn't follow the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 You make a good point there Kage, I was just wondering if there was some small fluff piece somewhere about one company that kept their original colors. Guess there is not. @Athrawes, I like the idea of loyalist Dusk Raiders or outcast traitors, that's something I'll have to look into. I know Garro lead a group of loyalist death guard for a time, isn't their a book about his story in the HH series? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 You make a good point there Kage, I was just wondering if there was some small fluff piece somewhere about one company that kept their original colors. Guess there is not. @Athrawes, I like the idea of loyalist Dusk Raiders or outcast traitors, that's something I'll have to look into. I know Garro lead a group of loyalist death guard for a time, isn't their a book about his story in the HH series? There is fluff about companies keeping the Dusk raider colors, or switching to them in the Heresy books, book 4 I think. BUt those little snippets are about loyalist DG outcasts fighting the Traitors. The Book Flight of the Eisenstein details Garro escaping istvaan III with 70 Loyal Death Guard. But, I'm pretty sure they are in standard Legion colors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 For most ideas you can find some wiggle room to do it, but this one of those that just can't go with the fluff. But, as Athrawes said, if you want to do DG with DR colors, go for it. I think it would be cool to see Morty in grey with a red right arm. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Depending how how dark a grey you want, you could just use the "Screw it I'm going the oldhammer route" excuse: the Dusk Raiders scheme was a resurrection of the 1st edition Heresy era Death Guard scheme: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K87zToEt9PE/SU3VT-_8U3I/AAAAAAAAAKY/QQHuxuupAek/s1600/P1010023.JPG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 All good idea guys thanks, I'll look into those passages in book 4 and figure some sort of justification out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Pre-Mortarion Dusk Raiders would be pretty cool, as their modus operandi was completely different than post-Mortarion, often relying on lightning strikes. At one point I was considering it myself (at least for ZM). In any case, squads of Mk. II and some Mk. III in Dusk Raider heraldry would be awesome, and you've got these as well if you DO decide: http://www.shapeways.com/product/QRF2W5TW5/dusk-raiders-gen2-crusader-right-shoulder-x10?li=shop-results&optionId=59190699 http://www.shapeways.com/product/9QPGUWG23/10x-dusk-raider-terminator-thunder-shield?optionId=58928756 (Shield are Terminator size, however... so not sure how you'd use them) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321883-dusk-raiders-in-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4378804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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