Canadian_F_H Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yeah that should tear up av12. Threaten the bases us out of a 13 and run and hide from av14. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4426509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Thanks gents, I would take Pask etc only I'll be using the Siege of Vraks book, so he's not featured. I can take any of the regular Russ variants. Also featured are the Thunderer Siege Tank (basically a Demolisher cannon on tracks!) or there's the Annihilator Russ variant (twin linked Lascannon) which I was considering putting Multimelta sponsons on. Still haven't made my mind up yet! Thanks for the patience!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4426532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Multimelta sponsons aren't really a match with lascannons. Both feature prominently in the arsenal of stuff that pens AV14, but that's about where the similarities end. The big difference is range. The multimelta has to get inside of 12" to be effective, while the beauty of the lascannon is that you can pen AV14 from 48" away (pretty close to table-wide on most 48"x72" tables, you have to be shooting diagonally corner to corner before 48" starts to be insufficient). Why does that matter? Survivability. If not for the ordnance rule, multimelta sponsons would make sense on demolishers...as it is, you're relatively safe from return fire at 44" away from the target, why would you want to mix that with weapons that shine from inside of charge range? You put lascannon sponsons on stock russes and on vanquishers. If I were running an annihilator, I would give it a lascannon hull mount and no sponsons. The only sponsons that make any sense at all for it are plasma cannons, at 36" range and AP2, they are an okay match, not a great one, but with "gets hot," not worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4426609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pounder Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Thanks for all the advice guys. I think I'm going to get a Vanquisher with co-axial Autocannon. It seems the best option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4426828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The Vanquisher with co-axial is a great choice, I wish the normal codex had it. Otherwise, the Annihilator is specialist but would give you what you need :) I would agree that a couple of Demolishers would also fit the bill ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4426867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Worth noting the Co-Ax options for the Vanquisher are the Heavy Stubber and the Storm Bolter. IIRC, there is no Autocannon option. Stubber is also clearly superior due to the +12" range and +1 shot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4427833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Autocannon would be the Baneblade, I wish co-axial weapons were around more... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4427875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Autocannon would be the Baneblade, I wish co-axial weapons were around more... Oh 3rd edition VDR... you could build everything but paid a premium for it... As for variety uses, one must think about where the rest of your army will be... demolishers and eradicators etc, need to get up close and personal. They should be used with he'll hound varients, mech infantry, and infiltrating sentinels perhaps... target saturation. If the rest of your army is gun line hiding in your deployment zone, your demolishers will probably get knocked off the table immediately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4427905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Autocannon would be the Baneblade, I wish co-axial weapons were around more... How do coax weapons work in 40k? Do you get to fire both, or is it one or the other? Does it have to be at the same target if you shoot both? Real-world, you're not likely firing the main gun and the coaxial machine gun within a reasonably narrow time window absent a very very target rich and diverse environment...if there are main gun targets yet alive, you simply ignore the light targets, or someone else shoots them (perhaps the commander with his .50 or the loader will expose himself to engage with the 7.62...but the coax is really only going to come into play when there are no targets worthy of the main gun.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4428491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Roll them before the main gun, and if it hits at least once you get to re-roll the main gun against the same target. You only find the rule in FW as far as I'm aware, sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4428593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 It's to represent the WWII-era method of using co-ax weapons to line up the main cannon, by firing tracer rounds so they could spot the spark on impact against enemy armour before firing the main gun. In the 60s. laser targeting began to roll out on tanks like the Chieftain, and co-ax weapons became more of an anti-infantry suppression weapon, or were removed altogether. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4428624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Autocannon would be the Baneblade, I wish co-axial weapons were around more... How do coax weapons work in 40k? Do you get to fire both, or is it one or the other? Does it have to be at the same target if you shoot both? Real-world, you're not likely firing the main gun and the coaxial machine gun within a reasonably narrow time window absent a very very target rich and diverse environment...if there are main gun targets yet alive, you simply ignore the light targets, or someone else shoots them (perhaps the commander with his .50 or the loader will expose himself to engage with the 7.62...but the coax is really only going to come into play when there are no targets worthy of the main gun.... As WF said, you roll for hits on the Coax gun first, and then as long as it hits, you get re-rolls on misses with the main gun. Essentially it becomes a twin-linked gun at half range. Which makes BS3 Vanquishers useable. As for the fluff reasons, well same as in WW2 as Coffee said. It's a ranging rifle, if you can hit it with the coax, you can hit it with the main gun. As I recall, in WW2 most coax guns were M2HB's which had about the same range as the main guns. Same idea here. While using the coax to mow down anything not worth shooting with the main gun isn't a new idea, the Coax's original role has been somewhat forgotten, especially with improvements in the way tanks sight their main guns (which would likely not be present in the IG's tanks, due to heresy or some such). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4439750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Yeah, British tanks from the 60s Chieftain onwards used a laser ranger rather than a Co-Ax, so the Co-Ax was removed from all subsequent tanks. I imagine other nations did the same around the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4439869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendaen Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I thought I read something about NOT being able to re-roll blast weapons, so a coaxial weapon would benefit a Vanquisher, but not a Battle Cannon or Beast Hunter shells.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4440108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 A Re-roll to Hit is a re-roll to hit for Blast or solid-shot weapons. IIRC, the Co-Ax rule makes no stipulation in whether it affects Blasts or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4440111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yeah, British tanks from the 60s Chieftain onwards used a laser ranger rather than a Co-Ax, so the Co-Ax was removed from all subsequent tanks. I imagine other nations did the same around the same time. US tanks kept the Coax, we just downgraded from the .50 to a 7.62. We really like redundancy, and MOAR GUNZ! I really like the coax guns from IA2, because as I said, BS3 troop vanquishers become useful. that's really all I have to hard counter my friend who just purchased a Warlord Titan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322984-tanks-in-40k/page/2/#findComment-4440818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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